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The cheapest and fastest trains from Porto to Madrid
Showing times and prices for Jun 04
Cheapest price
$134
Average price
$140
Fastest journey
8 h 34 m
Average duration
10 h 26 m
Trains per day
2
Distance
421 km
Cheap tickets
The best way to find a cheap train ticket from Porto to Madrid is to book your journey as far in advance as possible and to avoid traveling at rush hour.
The average ticket from Porto to Madrid will cost around $140 if you buy it on the day, but the cheapest tickets can be found for only $134.
Fast trains
It's difficult to get from Porto to Madrid without transferring at least once.
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043848:10 AM12h17Porto - Campanhã9:27 PMMadrid Chamartín$1341One-way1 transfer- 00421+042548:10 AM8h34Porto - Campanhã5:44 PMMadrid Chamartín$1471One-way1 transfer
- 00421+042548:10 AM8h34Porto - Campanhã5:44 PMMadrid Chamartín$1471One-way1 transfer
- 00421+043848:10 AM12h17Porto - Campanhã9:27 PMMadrid Chamartín$1341One-way1 transfer
Travel Information
Compare train, bus, and flight for Porto to Madrid
Omio recommends booking the bus as it is the most popular option from Porto to Madrid among Omio's users. If you are prioritising price take the bus with prices starting from $12. For those with little time consider booking a flight which can get you there in 3h 49m. In case you are seeking to minimise your carbon footprint the train is your best bet as it emits only 0.1 - 0.4kg. The ticket price range depends on the travel mode: a bus costs an average of $12, and a flight costs an average of $26.
Distance: 261 miles (421 km)
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$92 Average price | $30 Average price Cheapest | $155 Average price | $138 Average price (fuel + tolls) |
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0.1 - 0.4kg CO2 emissions Lowest | 0.4 - 1.1kg CO2 emissions | 1.3 - 2.5kg CO2 emissions | - CO2 emissions |
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The cheapest way to travel from Porto to Madrid is a bus with an average price of $30 (€24).
This is compared to other travel options from Porto to Madrid:
A bus is $62 (€50) less than a train for this route with tickets for a train from Porto to Madrid costing on average $92 (€74).
A bus is $125 (€101) less than a flight for this route with tickets for a flight from Porto to Madrid costing on average $155 (€125).
The fastest way to travel from Porto to Madrid is by flight with an average journey time of 3h 49m.
Other travel options to Madrid take longer:
Train takes on average 5h 23m.
Bus takes on average 6h 6m.
It's helpful to compare your options as there are 3 ways to travel between Porto and Madrid including taking a train, bus, and flight.
We recommend using the bus as it is the most popular way to get from Porto to Madrid among Omio's users.
Take the train. On this route, it beats driving on both time and money.
The journey is about 15m faster (5h 23m by train vs 5h 38m by car) and roughly $46 (€37) cheaper once you factor in fuel and tolls ($92 (€74) vs $138 (€111)). You'll also arrive in the city centre rather than hunting for parking, and you can work, read, or watch the landscape go by instead of concentrating on the road.
Driving is still worth considering if you want to stop along the way or need a car once you arrive.
Live departures
Porto to Madrid train times
The table below shows live departures for Porto to Madrid trains for today, Wednesday, June 3. You can also manually refresh the results below to see updated train journeys.
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| Provider | Departs | Duration | Arrives | Transfers | Tickets |
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 | 7:10 PM Porto | 18h58 | 2:08 PM Madrid | 2 transfers | |
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| 00421+04254 | 8:10 AM Porto - Campanhã | 8h34 | 5:44 PM Madrid Chamartín | 1 transfer | |
| 00421+04384 | 8:10 AM Porto - Campanhã | 12h17 | 9:27 PM Madrid Chamartín | 1 transfer | |
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Renfe ALVIA as well as AVE, Renfe, Renfe Viajeros and more offer trains services from Porto to Madrid.
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Porto to Madrid by trainMy Journey from Porto to Madrid by Train with Renfe AVE
By Claire Martin
Claire MartinTravel Journalist and Videomaker
I’m a full-time travel journalist, blogger, and videomaker who specializes in train and ferry travel around Europe.
Not many people travel from Porto to Madrid by train, but I found it to be an easy and comfortable route, with a quick stop in the Galician city of Vigo on the way. The journey combines scenic coastal views with a quick connection to Spain’s high-speed rail network. If you’re planning to travel between Portugal’s second city and Spain’s capital, here’s how to do it with Renfe AVE.
Route overview
I boarded my first train at Porto Campanhã, the main train station in Porto. The first leg headed directly north, over the northern Portuguese border to the little-visited region of Galicia. I would have loved to stay here for longer, but I only had a couple of hours to see a little of Vigo before my eastward Renfe AVE train to Madrid departed. The total journey time was 8 hours and 24 minutes. For me, this is the best way to travel between Porto and Madrid, especially for the scenery from the large train windows.
Transportation experience
I could reserve my tickets for the entire journey on the Omio app. This is a useful app for booking transport all over the world, including Renfe AVE trains. Simply select your journey, make a secure payment, and receive tickets with a QR code on your app, which you can use at the ticket gates. While some travelers may prefer other routes for this journey, the train was my preferred mode of transportation. Porto to Madrid buses take around the same length of time but are less spacious and don’t offer an opportunity to see Vigo. Porto to Madrid flights are quick but are worse for the environment and don’t offer the same views as the train!
Departure station
Porto-Campanhã is around 5.4 kilometers from Porto São Bento, the center of the city. It takes around 13 minutes to drive (Uber is available) or about 1 hour to walk, but the best way to get to Porto-Campanhã is by local “R” train. The Aveiro, Braga, or Guimarães lines all connect the stations in about 4 minutes. Housed in an 18th-century building, the station offers left-luggage facilities, WCs, ticket offices, and dining amenities. For a traditional Portuguese meal, Churrasqueira da Estação de Campanhã is nearby and serves dishes like francesinha. I didn’t dine there, however, as I had leftovers from the previous night’s dinner to eat on the train! The regional train from Porto arrives in Vigo Guixar, and the Renfe AVE train to Madrid departs from Vigo Urzaiz. Vigo Guixar is a smaller station serving regional routes, whereas Vigo Urzaiz is modern, dating back to 2015, and sits beside a shopping center. They are about a 10-minute walk apart through the city center. I enjoyed seeing some of this little-visited city as I strolled between them.
Arrival station
Madrid Chamartín is the city’s second-largest train station, serving routes to the north of Spain. There are a few eateries in the station, including a Burger King. I didn’t eat here, as I was keen to get to the city center. I took the Renfe Cercanías to reach Puerta del Sol (the city center), which takes around 8 minutes. It’s about an 18-kilometer drive and would take roughly 20 minutes by car.
Schedule & frequency
There is only one Renfe AVE train a day leaving Porto that reaches Vigo in time to connect to Madrid the same day. This departs at 8:13 AM. Once in Vigo, you can wait for about two hours before boarding the 1:37 PM train, which arrives in Madrid at 5:37 PM. Alternatively, you can take the 5:25 PM train, arriving at 9:20 PM. I chose the earlier service, as I was keen to spend the evening in Madrid.
Onboard experience & services
The first train (which took about 2 hours) was a regional service with fewer amenities. The second leg from Vigo to Madrid was aboard a modern Renfe AVE high-speed train, taking around 4 hours. I chose Standard Class, as First Class tickets were quite expensive. Seats were arranged in a 2+2 layout, and it got busier as we neared Madrid, but initially, I had four seats with a table to myself. I had a nearby power outlet, and the Wi-Fi worked quite well throughout the journey. The route offered pleasant views of Galicia’s green hills and rivers, gradually giving way to Castile’s open plains as we approached Madrid. It was a nice contrast that made the journey feel shorter. I only had a small backpack, but luggage rules were generally flexible, and I saw passengers boarding with large bags. Toilets were kept clean for the entire trip. I didn’t buy any food on the train, but there was a restaurant cart available. For this trip, I just had a coffee I bought in Vigo along with leftovers from my meal the night before.
Ticketing advice & budget breakdown
As this is a long journey, I expected to pay more than on my other routes around Spain. I booked about two weeks in advance, when my travel plans were finalized. I also needed a short local train ride in Porto to reach Campanhã Station before starting my trip. Below is a summary of my total costs for the journey.
| Item | Cost (eur) |
|---|---|
| Ticket price | €94.40 |
| Food & drinks | €4 |
| Travel to departure station | € |
| Travel from arrival station | €1.40 |
| Total | € 99.80000000000001 |
Top tips & recommendations
- Decide how long to spend in Vigo: There’s plenty to do here, but remember you’ll have your luggage and might find the journey tiring.
- Consider baggage storage in Vigo: If you’re exploring the city, baggage storage is available at Vigo Bus Station.
- Take supplies for the journey: It’s a long route, and the restaurant cart may not have everything you want. Bring snacks and water, as drinks can be expensive on board.
- Book your ticket in advance: As it’s a longer route, prices tend to rise closer to the travel date.
- Carry identification: Always keep your passport or ID card with you, as it may be required when crossing from Portugal into Spain.
Conclusion
While many travelers would choose to fly, taking the train from Porto to Madrid aboard Renfe’s modern AVE service is a scenic and sustainable alternative. Like all AVE journeys, it can easily be booked on Omio, and the route offers a chance to see Vigo. This is a truly underrated Spanish city that few tourists visit. Ready to book? Plan your journey and reserve your next train tickets on Omio today!
How far in advance should I book train tickets from Porto to Madrid?
The best time to book your train from Porto to Madrid is 63 days before departure. See how prices for trains change on the Porto to Madrid route.
Prices are for one-way tickets for one passenger from Porto to Madrid per month. Insights are sourced from fares found by Omio users in the last 12 months. Current prices may differ as prices vary depending on the time of day, class or how far in advance you book your train from Porto to Madrid.
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EquipmentDisadvantages
slight delayThe train was affected by a small delay of 7 minutes. However, it was clean and the train was equipped with comfortable seats, so I don't see the delay as very negative. The staff proved to be helpful and I was able to watch a film thanks to the good wifi. The almost 10-hour journey was a complete success. Unfortunately, the train number was on the part of the ticket that I no longer have.
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cleanDisadvantages
unpunctualTo be honest, I was a bit disappointed at first, as my train arrived 28 minutes late. But once on the train, this negative mood dissipated and I was happy that it was clean and hygienic. The staff were very friendly and I have no complaints. I had very good wifi and stable reception the whole time. I therefore give the connection a recommendation. I had to change trains once and the journey took about 8 hours.
Journey information
Overview: Train from Porto to Madrid
Portugal
Spain
Trains from Porto to Madrid run on average 1 times per day, taking around 5h 23m. Cheap train tickets for this journey start at $85 (€69) but you can travel from only $12 (€10) by bus.
The earliest train runs at 00:05, the last at 19:25. The fastest train covers the 261 miles (421 km) distance in 9h 27m.
Fares are the lowest economy prices found on Omio. Early booking often means lower prices. Prices change daily and are subject to availability. Discount cards, coach trips, and booking fees are not included.
Price information
Cheapest alternative travel mode
Bus from $12 (€10)
Distance 261 miles (421 km) |
Average train duration 5h 23m |
Cheapest ticket price $85 (€69) |
Trains per day 1 |
Fastest train 9h 27m |
First train 12:05 AM |
Last train 7:25 PM |
High Season Jul - Sep |
Low Season Jan - Mar |
Busiest Day Wed |
Least Busy Day Sat |
Best time to book 63 days |
Fares are the lowest economy prices found on Omio. Early booking often means lower prices. Prices change daily and are subject to availability. Discount cards, coach trips, and booking fees are not included.
Price information
Cheapest alternative travel mode
Bus from $12 (€10)
Train companies: Renfe ALVIA, AVE, Renfe, Renfe Viajeros from Porto to Madrid trainsRenfe ALVIA, AVE, Renfe, Renfe Viajeros trains will get you between Porto and Madrid from $12 (€10). With over 1000 travel companies on Omio, you can find the best train times and tickets for your trip.
Renfe ALVIA
About
Renfe Alvia are high-speed trains with top speeds of up to 250km/h operated by Renfe, Spain’s national railway company. Alvia trains cover most cities in Spain, including Madrid, Barcelona, Bilbao, Valencia, Alicante, Zaragoza and Cadiz. They are somewhat slower than Renfe AVE and AVLO (high-speed and low cost) but cover more destinations and are a comfortable and effective way of travelling around Spain. Onboard facilities include free WIFI, bike storage and luggage allowance. Alvia trains have two seat classes – Estándar and Confort. Top routes for Renfe Alvia include Barcelona to Pamplona, Madrid to Cádiz and Alicante to Gijón.
Luggage & cancellation policy
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Luggage included
1 piece of hand luggage and 3 pieces of luggage included
Luggage storage
Overhead racks, end of carriages, and designated luggage areas
Cancellation Policy
According to ticket conditions
Refund
Full refund if train is canceled by Renfe
Amenities on board the train
Wifi
Food sold onboard
Cafeteria car with drinks, snacks, and hot meals. At-seat service in Preferente class
Seat reservation
Included in Preferente (First) class. Optional extra cost in Turista (Second) class
Toilets
USB plugs
Accessibility
Wheelchair spaces available, accessible toilets, and staff assistance for boarding/alighting
Pets
Small pets in carriers travel free. Dogs must be muzzled and leashed, require paid ticket. Guide dogs travel free
Quiet zone
AVE
About
Travel comfortably with AVE, Renfe’s high-speed trains. AVE connects major cities across Spain at speeds of up to 310 km/h (193 mph), offering a fast and smooth travel experience. Ticket options include Promo, Promo+, and Flexible fares to suit different budgets, along with discount cards such as the Gold Card and +Renfe Youth 50 Card for eligible travelers. AVE trains feature modern amenities including comfortable seating, Wi-Fi, power outlets, and onboard catering, making them a convenient and enjoyable way to travel across Spain.
Luggage & cancellation policy
Luggage included
1 piece of hand luggage and 3 pieces of luggage free of charge
Luggage storage
Overhead racks, end of carriages, and designated areas between seats
Cancellation Policy
Refund conditions depend on ticket type
Refund
Full refund if train is canceled
Amenities on board the train
Wifi
Food sold onboard
Cafeteria car with hot and cold meals, snacks, and beverages. At-seat service in Preferente (First) Class
Seat reservation
Included in ticket price for all classes
Toilets
USB plugs
Accessibility
Wheelchair spaces, accessible toilets, and assistance services available
Pets
Small pets under 10kg in carriers allowed free. Larger dogs require paid ticket and muzzle. Guide dogs free.
Quiet zone
Renfe
About
Renfe is Spain’s national train company operating freight and passenger on Spain’s extensive railway network as well as international routes to neighboring France and Portugal. Renfe has a wide range of ticket types to fit your budget like the Basic, Elige and Premium tickets. Renfe also offers discount cards like the Renfe Gold Card and +Renfe Youth Card 50 for qualified travelers. The Renfe AVE trains run at high speed and serve long-distance routes, Alvia trains combine high-speed and normal speed trains serving domestic routes, Altaria serves domestic routes into southern Spain, Euromed offers domestic routes along the Mediterranean coast, Avant trains serve regional commuter routes and Trenhotel offers night train routes.
Luggage & cancellation policy
0
Luggage included
One piece of hand luggage and up to three suitcases free of charge
Luggage storage
Overhead racks, luggage areas at the end of carriages, and spaces between seats
Cancellation Policy
Cancellation possible according to ticket conditions
Refund
Full refund provided for canceled trains
Amenities on board the train
Wifi
Food sold onboard
Restaurant car (cafeteria) available on most long-distance trains serving hot and cold meals, snacks, and beverages. First class passengers receive at-seat service
Seat reservation
Optional seat reservation. Included in some ticket types, additional fee for others. Recommended during peak travel times
Toilets
USB plugs
Accessibility
Wheelchair spaces, accessible toilets, and assistance services available for passengers with reduced mobility
Pets
Small pets in carriers travel free. Dogs must be leashed and muzzled, require paid ticket. Guide dogs travel free
Quiet zone
Renfe Viajeros
Luggage & cancellation policy
Average Duration
9h 27m
Cheapest Price
$85 (€69)
Renfe Viajeros frequency
1 a day
Complete guide to Madrid
Things to do in Madrid
Discover the best of Madrid — top attractions, local food, transport tips, budget advice, and currency essentials. Plan your perfect Madrid trip today.
- Must visit
Museo Nacional Centro de Arte Reina Sofía
Spain’s national museum of 20th-century and contemporary art, best known for Picasso’s Guernica and strong collections by Dalí and Miró.
- Must visit
Museo Nacional Thyssen-Bornemisza
A major art museum spanning Old Masters to modern works, complementing the Prado and Reina Sofía with an exceptionally broad private collection.
- Must visit
Plaza Mayor
Madrid’s grand historic square, lined with arcades and elegant façades, and a classic starting point for exploring the old center.
- Must visit
Puerta del Sol
The symbolic heart of Madrid, known for Kilometer Zero, the clock tower, and constant energy day and night.
- Must visit
Parque de El Retiro
Madrid’s most famous park, ideal for walks, boating, monuments, gardens, and popular photo spots such as the Crystal Palace area.
- Gluten-free
Cocido Madrileño
Madrid’s signature chickpea stew, served in courses with broth, vegetables, and assorted meats. It is one of the city’s most traditional comfort dishes.
Bocadillo De Calamares
A classic Madrid sandwich of fried squid rings in crusty bread, especially associated with bars around Plaza Mayor. It is simple, iconic, and widely loved.
- Gluten-free
Callos A La Madrileña
A rich stew of tripe, chorizo, and morcilla cooked with paprika. It is a historic Madrid tavern dish with bold, hearty flavors.
Sobrino De Botín
Historic restaurant founded in the eighteenth century, famous for roast meats and classic Castilian cooking in an atmospheric old setting.
Casa Lucio
Legendary traditional restaurant best known for huevos rotos, with a polished yet classic tavern feel and strong local reputation.
Chocolatería San Ginés
Iconic spot for churros con chocolate, open long hours and known for a lively, historic atmosphere near the city center.
Euro
Moderate for Western Europe. Museums and transport are reasonable, while central hotels and fine dining cost more.
Average meal costs
- Budget
- EUR 10-15 for tapas, menu del día, or fast food.
- Mid-range
- EUR 20-35 per person at a casual restaurant.
- Fine dining
- EUR 70+ per person at upscale restaurants.
- Coffee
- EUR 1.80-3.50 for espresso or cappuccino.
Tipping culture
Service is usually included. Round up or leave EUR 1-2 in cafés; 5-10% in restaurants for very good service. Taxis are often rounded up, but tipping is not obligatory.
Tarjeta Transporte
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Prices
- Single ticket
- EUR 1.50
- Day pass
- EUR 8.40
To the city center
Madrid-Puerta de Atocha-Almudena Grandes -> Sol, Madrid
- Distance
- 2 km
- Travel time
- 10 min
- On EMT buses, contactless card payment is generally available on board, but Metro and Cercanías tickets are usually bought before travel.
- If you plan several trips in one day, the Tourist Travel Pass can be better value than single tickets, especially for airport and metro use.
FAQs: Trains from Porto to Madrid
Find answers to the most common questions about traveling from Porto to Madrid by train. From journey times and ticket prices to direct connections, first and last departures, and even whether the route is scenic, our FAQs cover everything you need to plan your trip. Whether you’re looking for the fastest train, the cheapest option, or tips for making the most of your visit at Madrid, this guide helps you travel smarter and with confidence.
Train ticket prices from Porto to Madrid can vary. The cheapest ticket starts at $85 (€69), while the average price is around $92 (€74).
The train from Porto to Madrid runs once a day and takes approximately 9h 27m.
The distance by train from Porto to Madrid is 261 miles (421 km).
The first train from Porto to Madrid leaves at 12:05 AM.
The last train from Porto to Madrid leaves at 7:25 PM.
There is no high speed train available from Porto to Madrid.
There is no direct train service currently available from Porto to Madrid.
Unfortunately, there is no night train available from Porto to Madrid.
The cheapest way to get from Porto to Madrid is by bus, with a cost of around $12 (€10).
The Porto to Madrid train journey offers scenic views of the Portuguese countryside, featuring rolling hills and charming villages, but it becomes less scenic as it approaches the more urban landscapes near Madrid.
A day trip from Porto to Madrid is not feasible, as the journey takes 9h 27m, covering a distance of 261 miles (421 km), with a frequency of 1 per day for trains.
In Madrid, you can explore Puerta del Sol, a bustling public square known for its iconic clock and vibrant atmosphere, and savor gourmet foods at Mercado de San Miguel. Discover the vibrant nightlife in the Malasaña district, enjoy a traditional flamenco show, or visit the Santiago Bernabéu Stadium, home to Real Madrid. For cultural sights, visit the Prado Museum, the Royal Palace of Madrid, and Retiro Park. Don't miss Plaza Mayor and the lively Gran Vía for shopping and theaters.
For a well-rounded experience in Madrid, plan to spend at least 3 to 4 days. This allows time to explore major attractions like the Prado Museum, Royal Palace, Retiro Park, and enjoy the local cuisine and vibrant neighborhoods.
Yes, you can take the train from Porto to Madrid.
Since both Porto and Madrid are in the Schengen Area, a passport is not required for European Union (EU) or Schengen-associated country citizens. A national ID card is sufficient.
Popular day trips by train from Madrid include Toledo, Segovia, Valladolid, Ávila, Cuenca.
We recommend using the bus as it is the most popular way to get from Porto to Madrid among Omio's users.
Items not allowed on trains typically include hazardous materials such as explosives, flammable liquids, corrosive substances, and illegal drugs. Additionally, large or bulky items that may obstruct aisles or emergency exits, as well as pets without proper carriers, may be restricted. Specific prohibited items can vary by train operator and region, so please check the rules for your particular journey.
Spain uses the euro (€) as its currency. Travelers can use both cash and cards, but cards are widely accepted in cities and tourist areas, while cash may be preferred for small purchases, markets, and rural locations.
In Madrid, the main safety concerns for travelers include pickpocketing, especially in crowded areas like Puerta del Sol, Gran Vía, and on public transportation. Common scams involve distraction techniques, such as someone asking for signatures on petitions or offering friendship bracelets, to steal valuables. Travelers should also be cautious of unlicensed taxi drivers and always use official transport services. Staying vigilant in busy tourist spots and keeping belongings secure helps minimize risks.
Pack lightweight, versatile clothing suitable for the destination's climate, and use secure, lockable luggage to protect belongings. Keep essential items like travel documents, medication, and valuables in a carry-on bag for easy access. Use packing organizers or cubes to maximize space and maintain order. Lastly, include a small first aid kit and personal hygiene items for added comfort during travel.
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