Dundee to London train with London North Eastern Railway

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The cheapest and fastest trains from Dundee to London

Showing times, prices and bookable tickets for Oct 23

Cheapest price on Oct 23

$112

Average ticket price on Oct 23

$252

Fastest journey on Oct 23

6 h

Average journey duration on Oct 23

6 h 3 m

Trains on Oct 23

16

Distance

581 km

Cheap tickets

The best way to find a cheap train ticket from Dundee to London is to book your journey as far in advance as possible and to avoid traveling at rush hour.

The average ticket from Dundee to London will cost around $252 if you buy it on the day, but the cheapest tickets can be found for only $112.

Fast trains

On Fri, Oct 23, we found 16 trains from Dundee to London, including 4 direct services.

On Fri, Oct 23 the direct trains cover the 581 km distance in an average of 6 h 3 m but if you time it right, some trains will get you there in just 6 h .

On Fri, Oct 23 the slowest trains will take 6 h 7 m and usually involve a change or two along the way, but you might be able to save a few pennies if you’re on a budget.

  • London North Eastern RailwayG80097+Avanti West CoastW33801
    4:08 PM9h12
    Dundee station (DEE)
    1:20 AMLondon Euston (EUS)
    $1121One-way
    1 transfer
  • Caledonian SleeperC04552_C04564
    10:58 PM9h21
    Dundee station (DEE)
    8:19 AMLondon Euston (EUS)
    $1371One-way
    0 transfers
  • London North Eastern RailwayG80067
    11:09 AM6h01
    Dundee station (DEE)
    5:10 PMLondon Kings Cross (KGX)
    $1551One-way
    0 transfers
  • London North Eastern RailwayG80055
    9:08 AM6h02
    Dundee station (DEE)
    3:10 PMLondon Kings Cross (KGX)
    $1551One-way
    0 transfers
  • London North Eastern RailwayG80097
    4:08 PM6h39
    Dundee station (DEE)
    10:47 PMLondon Kings Cross (KGX)
    $1551One-way
    0 transfers

Journey information

Overview: Train from Dundee to London

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Trains from Dundee to London run on average 5 times per day, taking around 5h 58m. Cheap train tickets for this journey start at $69 but you can travel from only $27 by bus.

There are 2 trains per day. The earliest train runs at 05:17, the last at 23:45. The fastest train covers the 361 miles (581 km) distance in 5h 19m.

Fares are the lowest economy prices found on Omio. Early booking often means lower prices. Prices change daily and are subject to availability. Discount cards, coach trips, and booking fees are not included.
Price information
Cheapest alternative travel mode
Bus from $27
Distance
361 miles (581 km)
Average train duration
5h 58m
Cheapest ticket price
$69
Trains per day
5
Direct trains
2
Fastest train
5h 19m
First train
5:17 AM
Last train
11:45 PM
Cheapest Month
Jun
Cheapest Day
Tue
High Season
Jul - Sep
Low Season
Jan - Mar
Busiest Day
Mon
Least Busy Day
Sat
Best time to book
21 days
Fares are the lowest economy prices found on Omio. Early booking often means lower prices. Prices change daily and are subject to availability. Discount cards, coach trips, and booking fees are not included.
Price information
Cheapest alternative travel mode
Bus from $27

Frequently asked questions about your Dundee to London trip

Use these quick route answers to check fares, travel time, departure options, and direct services before booking from Dundee to London.

Train ticket prices from Dundee to London can vary. The cheapest ticket starts at $69, while the average price is around $155.
The train from Dundee to London takes 5h 19m and runs 5 per day.
The first train from Dundee to London leaves at 5:17 AM.
The distance by train from Dundee to London is 361 miles (581 km).
The last train from Dundee to London leaves at 11:45 PM.
Yes, there is a direct train from Dundee to London. This service operates 2 times per day, provided by London North Eastern Railway, Caledonian Sleeper.

Live departures

Dundee to London train times

The table below shows live departures for Dundee to London trains for tomorrow, Friday, October 23. You can also manually refresh the results below to see updated train journeys.

Last updated at
ProviderDepartsDurationArrivesTransfers
Tickets
London North Eastern RailwayC01942+ScotrailC146618:40 AM Dundee station (DEE)
6h21
3:01 PM London Kings Cross (KGX)1 transfer
London North Eastern RailwayG800559:08 AM Dundee station (DEE)
6h02
3:10 PM London Kings Cross (KGX)0 transfersDirect
London North Eastern RailwayG80061+ScotrailL8706910:14 AM Dundee station (DEE)
6h03
4:17 PM London Kings Cross (KGX)1 transfer
London North Eastern RailwayG8006711:09 AM Dundee station (DEE)
6h01
5:10 PM London Kings Cross (KGX)0 transfersDirect
London North Eastern RailwayG80073+ScotrailL8707212:10 PM Dundee station (DEE)
6h00
6:10 PM London Kings Cross (KGX)1 transfer
LumoG25680+ScotrailL870741:30 PM Dundee station (DEE)
6h07
7:37 PM London Kings Cross (KGX)1 transfer
London North Eastern RailwayC02066+ScotrailL870752:19 PM Dundee station (DEE)
6h43
9:02 PM London Kings Cross (KGX)1 transfer
London North Eastern RailwayC01989+ScotrailL870793:14 PM Dundee station (DEE)
6h47
10:01 PM London Kings Cross (KGX)1 transfer
Avanti West CoastW33801+London North Eastern RailwayG800974:08 PM Dundee station (DEE)
9h12
1:20 AM London Euston (EUS)1 transfer
London North Eastern RailwayG800974:08 PM Dundee station (DEE)
6h39
10:47 PM London Kings Cross (KGX)0 transfersDirect
London North Eastern RailwayC02033+ScotrailC14797 · W830064:47 PM Dundee station (DEE)
6h33
11:20 PM London Kings Cross (KGX)2 transfers
LumoG25688+ScotrailL870815:30 PM Dundee station (DEE)
6h29
11:59 PM London Kings Cross (KGX)1 transfer
London North Eastern RailwayC02056+ScotrailW83039 · C148015:48 PM Dundee station (DEE)
7h52
1:40 AM London Kings Cross (KGX)2 transfers
Caledonian SleeperC04562+ScotrailC148069:16 PM Dundee station (DEE)
9h59
7:15 AM London Euston (EUS)1 transfer
Caledonian SleeperC04559_C04562+ScotrailL870859:31 PM Dundee station (DEE)
9h44
7:15 AM London Euston (EUS)1 transfer

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London North Eastern Railway as well as Caledonian Sleeper, Avanti West Coast, CrossCountry, Lumo and more offer trains services from Dundee to London.
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Train companies: London North Eastern Railway, Avanti West Coast, CrossCountry, Lumo, Caledonian Sleeper, Transpennine Express from Dundee to London trainsLondon North Eastern Railway, Avanti West Coast, CrossCountry, Lumo, Caledonian Sleeper, Transpennine Express trains will get you between Dundee and London from $27. With over 1000 travel companies on Omio, you can find the best train times and tickets for your trip.

London North Eastern Railway

About
LNER is a train company based in the United Kingdom. It operates a wide range of services, from high-speed intercity trains to local services. Its most popular routes include London to Edinburgh, London to Leeds, and London to York. LNER offers a variety of train types, including the Azuma, InterCity 225, and HST. The Azuma is a modern, high-speed train that offers comfortable seating and onboard Wi-Fi. The InterCity 225 is a classic train that offers a more traditional experience. The HST is a high-speed train that offers a smooth ride and plenty of legroom. LNER offers a variety of ticket types, including Advance, Anytime, and Off-Peak. Advance tickets are the cheapest option and must be booked in advance. Anytime tickets are more expensive but can be used at any time. Off-Peak tickets are the most affordable option for travelling during off-peak times. Onboard facilities include comfortable seating, Wi-Fi, power sockets, and a range of food and drink options. LNER also offers a range of discounts and special offers, making it an affordable and convenient way to travel.
Luggage & cancellation policy
Average London North Eastern Railway Duration
5h 19m
Cheapest London North Eastern Railway Price
$80
London North Eastern Railway frequency
4 a day
Luggage included
2 pieces of luggage and 1 small item included
Luggage storage
Overhead racks, luggage areas at the end of carriages, and under seats
Cancellation Policy
Refund policies apply as per ticket conditions
Refund
Full refund available if train is cancelled
Amenities on board the train
Wifi
Food sold onboard
Cafe bar serving hot and cold drinks, snacks, and light meals. First Class passengers receive complimentary refreshments
Seat reservation
Seat reservations are included with Advance tickets. Optional for other ticket types at £0-£2 per person depending on route
Toilets
USB plugs
Accessibility
Wheelchair spaces, accessible toilets, ramps for boarding, passenger assistance service available
Pets
Small pets travel free. Dogs must be on a lead. Maximum two pets per passenger
Quiet zone

Avanti West Coast

About
Avanti West Coast is a train company based in the United Kingdom. It operates high-speed trains between London and major cities in the UK, including Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow and Edinburgh. The company offers a range of ticket types, including Standard, First Class and Advance tickets. Onboard facilities include free Wi-Fi, power sockets, comfortable seating and a range of food and drinks. The most popular routes for Avanti West Coast are London to Birmingham, London to Manchester and London to Glasgow. The company operates a fleet of Pendolino and Super Voyager trains, which offer a smooth and comfortable journey.
Luggage & cancellation policy
Average Avanti West Coast Duration
5h 47m
Cheapest Avanti West Coast Price
$82
Avanti West Coast frequency
1 a day
Luggage included
2 pieces of luggage and 1 small item included
Luggage storage
Overhead racks, luggage areas at the end of carriages, and under seats
Cancellation Policy
Cancellation policies depend on ticket type
Refund
Full refund if train cancelled
Amenities on board the train
Wifi
Food sold onboard
First Class: Complimentary meals and drinks. Standard Class: Onboard shop with drinks and snacks
Seat reservation
First Class: Included in ticket price. Standard Class: Optional reservation for £8-12
Toilets
USB plugs
Accessibility
Wheelchair spaces, accessible toilets, and assistance for boarding/alighting available
Pets
Small pets free in carriers. Dogs £30 per single journey. Guide dogs free
Quiet zone

CrossCountry

About
CrossCountry is a fast-speed train operator in the United Kingdom, offering both express and regional services across the country. Express services, such as the CrossCountry Voyager and XC Trains, provide quick and comfortable journeys with amenities like free Wi-Fi, power sockets, and a selection of snacks and drinks. Regional services, including the CrossCountry Regional and Regional Express, make more local stops for a leisurely trip. Ticket options include Standard Class and First Class, as well as Advance, Anytime, and Off-Peak fares to suit different budgets and schedules. Popular routes include London to Birmingham, Manchester to Edinburgh, and Bristol to Reading.
Luggage & cancellation policy
Average CrossCountry Duration
5h 58m
Cheapest CrossCountry Price
$69
CrossCountry frequency
1 a day
Luggage included
2 pieces of luggage included in ticket price
Luggage storage
Overhead racks and luggage storage areas at ends of carriages
Cancellation Policy
Refund policies vary by ticket type
Refund
Full refund provided for canceled services
Amenities on board the train
Wifi
Food sold onboard
Trolley service with drinks and snacks on some routes
Seat reservation
Seat reservations available for additional fee
Toilets
USB plugs
Accessibility
Wheelchair spaces and accessible toilets available
Pets
Small pets in carriers travel free, larger dogs require ticket
Quiet zone

Lumo

About
Lumo are an open access operator launched in 2021 owned by FirstGroup providing train travel from London to Scotland and the North-East of England. It runs between London and Edinburgh along the East Coast Main Line. Lumo trains offer 100% electric travel along with amenities like comforable seating, free WiFi & their LumoEats at-seat catering in their single Standard Class. Lumo offered two ticket types their advance tickets LumoFixed which are only valid on the date and train booked but are exchangeable prior to departure and their Anytime tickets which can be used on any Lumo train on the date of your ticket.
Luggage & cancellation policy
Average Lumo Duration
5h 31m
Cheapest Lumo Price
$93
Lumo frequency
1 a day
Luggage included
One piece of hand luggage and one piece of hold luggage included
Luggage storage
Overhead racks and luggage storage areas at the end of carriages
Cancellation Policy
Refunds according to ticket type conditions
Refund
Full refund if train is cancelled by operator
Amenities on board the train
Wifi
Food sold onboard
Cafe bar serving hot and cold drinks, snacks, and light meals. First Class includes complimentary refreshments
Seat reservation
Seat reservation included with all tickets
Toilets
USB plugs
Accessibility
Wheelchair spaces available, accessible toilets, and staff assistance for boarding
Pets
Small pets in carriers travel free. Dogs on leads allowed with fee
Quiet zone

Caledonian Sleeper

About
The Caledonian Sleeper is a train service operating in the United Kingdom. It offers overnight journeys between London, Scotland, the North of England and Wales. The service is operated by Serco and consists of two types of trains: the Classic Sleeper and the Lowland Sleeper. The Classic Sleeper offers comfortable sleeping berths, while the Lowland Sleeper offers reclining seats. Both trains offer onboard facilities such as Wi-Fi, power sockets, and complimentary tea and coffee.Ticket types include Standard, First Class and Solo. Standard tickets offer access to the lounge car, while First Class tickets include access to the lounge car and complimentary breakfast. Solo tickets are available for single travellers and offer access to the lounge car and a private sleeping berth. The most popular routes for the Caledonian Sleeper are London to Edinburgh, Glasgow and Inverness. Passengers can also travel from London to Aberdeen, Fort William and Dundee.
Luggage & cancellation policy
Average Caledonian Sleeper Duration
8h 38m
Cheapest Caledonian Sleeper Price
$86
Caledonian Sleeper frequency
2 a day
Luggage included
2 pieces of luggage per person included in ticket price
Luggage storage
Dedicated luggage storage areas in each carriage and under beds in sleeping compartments
Cancellation Policy
Cancellation policies vary by ticket type and timing before departure
Refund
Full refund provided if service is cancelled
Amenities on board the train
Wifi
Food sold onboard
Complimentary breakfast for all guests. Club Car serves dinner and drinks. Room service available for sleeping car passengers
Seat reservation
Included in ticket price for sleeping car passengers. Optional seat reservations available for seated carriages
Toilets
USB plugs
Accessibility
Accessible rooms available, wheelchair spaces, accessible toilets, and staff assistance
Pets
Small pets allowed in sleeping compartments for a fee. Guide dogs travel free
Quiet zone

Transpennine Express

About
Transpennine Express is a train company based in the United Kingdom. It operates services from Manchester and Liverpool to Scotland, the North East and Yorkshire. It offers a range of services, including express, regional and local trains. Express trains are the fastest, with journey times of up to three hours. Regional trains are slower, but offer more stops and a more relaxed atmosphere. Local trains are the slowest, but offer the most stops. Transpennine Express offers a range of ticket types, including single, return, group and season tickets. Onboard facilities include free Wi-Fi, power sockets, comfortable seating and a range of food and drink options. The most popular routes for Transpennine Express are Manchester to Edinburgh, Liverpool to Leeds and Manchester to York. These routes offer a convenient and comfortable way to travel between the cities.
Luggage & cancellation policy
Average Transpennine Express Duration
5h 56m
Cheapest Transpennine Express Price
$147
Transpennine Express frequency
1 a day
Luggage included
2 large items and 1 small hand luggage included
Luggage storage
Overhead racks, luggage areas at the end of carriages, and under seats
Cancellation Policy
Refund policies apply as per ticket type
Refund
Full refund if service is cancelled
Amenities on board the train
Wifi
Food sold onboard
Trolley service with drinks and snacks, plus a small selection of hot and cold food items
Seat reservation
Seat reservations are free of charge and recommended for busy routes
Toilets
USB plugs
Accessibility
Wheelchair spaces, accessible toilets, ramps for boarding, priority seating, assistance booking service
Pets
Small pets travel free. Dogs must be on a lead. Maximum two dogs per passenger
Quiet zone

Companies, tickets, and onboard amenities between Dundee and London

Review the details behind your booking, from operators and ticket rules to luggage, onboard amenities, accessibility, and route-specific travel policies.

There is no high speed train available from Dundee to London.
Unfortunately, there is no night train available from Dundee to London.
Items not allowed on trains typically include hazardous materials such as explosives, flammable liquids, corrosive substances, and illegal drugs. Additionally, large or bulky items that may obstruct aisles or emergency exits, as well as pets without proper carriers, may be restricted. Specific prohibited items can vary by train operator and region, so please check the rules for your particular journey.
Yes, rail passes such as the BritRail Pass are valid on most trains within the United Kingdom, offering unlimited travel on participating train operators for a set period.

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Very costly by European standards. Hotels, dining, and transit are pricier than in most UK and EU city breaks, especially in central areas.

Average meal costs

Budget
£8-15 for fast food or casual takeaway.
Mid-range
£20-40 per person for a meal.
Fine dining
£70+ per person for upscale restaurants.
Coffee
£3-5 for a cappuccino.

Tipping culture

Restaurants often add 12.5% service; if not, tip 10-12%. Taxis: round up or 10%. Cafes: optional small change or none.

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The Dundee to London train journey offers a mix of scenic views, particularly as it travels through the picturesque Scottish countryside and along the stunning Northumberland coast, providing passengers with a visually appealing experience.
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FAQs: Trains from Dundee to London

Find answers to the most common questions about traveling from Dundee to London by train. From journey times and ticket prices to direct connections, first and last departures, and even whether the route is scenic, our FAQs cover everything you need to plan your trip. Whether you’re looking for the fastest train, the cheapest option, or tips for making the most of your visit at London, this guide helps you travel smarter and with confidence.

FAQs
Yes, you can take the train from Dundee to London.

popular train stations

Popular train stations from Dundee to London

Most Dundee to London trains use the Dundee to London Kings Cross station pair, with some services arriving at London Euston. Use this guide to compare Dundee and London train stations on this route, check city-centre transport, alongside checking practicalities like train station facilities and services.

Departure train stations in Dundee
Arrival train stations in London

Which Dundee station do trains to London leave from?

Trains from Dundee to London leave from Dundee. The station is 0 miles (1 km) from Dundee city centre at Dundee station, South Union Street, Dundee, City of Dundee, DD1 4BY.
DundeeDundee station, South Union Street, Dundee, City of Dundee, DD1 4BYWifiShoppingParkingDiningAccessibilityWCHotelLoungeLost and Found OfficeTicket OfficeBike ParkingBike RentalCar RentalInformation Desk
City-centre transport

Getting to Dundee from Dundee city centre

Bus22, 22C · 23m · every ~16 min

Dundee train station facilities and services

Dundee has practical services for this route, including Wifi, Shopping, Parking, Dining, Accessibility, WC, Hotel, Lounge, Lost and Found Office, Ticket Office, Bike Parking, Bike Rental, Car Rental, and Information Desk.

Food and drink

Food and drink options are available at Dundee.

Wi-Fi and ATMs

Wi-Fi is available at Dundee.

Tickets and information

Ticket office support is available at Dundee. Information desks are information available from staff: Yes - from help point,Yes - from ticket office, Helpline Contact: Tel: 0800 046 1634 and 18001 0800 046 1634 (Deaf and customers who are hard of hearing), Passenger Information Systems: Departure screens, Announcements, Arrival screens.

Luggage and lost property

Lost and found is available at the station.

Parking, taxis and toilets

Available at Dundee: Parking, WC.

Bike and car services

Available at Dundee: Bike Parking, Bike Rental, Car Rental.

Accessibility

Accessibility facilities are available at Dundee: Staff help available: Yes, Step free access coverage: Yes, Step free access note: This is a Category A station. This station has step-free access to all platforms. The Passenger Assist meeting point is at the Ticket Office, Accessible car park equipment: Wheelchair users may require assistance using car park equipment at this station, Accessible ticket machines: There are accessible ticket machines at this station, Accessible toilets: Yes, Ramp for train access: Yes, Wheelchairs available: Yes, Impaired mobility set down / pick up points available: No.

Broughty FerryBroughty Ferry station, Gray Street, Broughty Ferry, Dundee City, DD5 2DXParkingDiningAccessibilityHotelLoungeLost and Found OfficeBike ParkingBike RentalInformation Desk
City-centre transport

Getting to Broughty Ferry from Dundee city centre

Broughty Ferry is 5 km from Dundee city centre. Public transport options include:

TrainDundee - Arbroath, Glasgow Queen Street - Aberdeen, Perth - Arbroath, Dundee - Aberdeen, Glasgow Queen Street - Arbroath, Dundee - Inverness, Edinburgh - Aberdeen, Perth - Inverurie · 6m · $3 · every ~2 min
Bus73B, 73A, 74A, 74B, 73C, 74C, 73, 74 · 19m · $5 · every ~33 min
73, 74A, 74C, 73C, 74B, 73A, 74, 73B · 20m · $5 · every ~33 min

Broughty Ferry train station facilities and services

Broughty Ferry has practical services for this route, including Parking, Dining, Accessibility, Hotel, Lounge, Lost and Found Office, Bike Parking, Bike Rental, and Information Desk.

Food and drink

Food and drink options are available at Broughty Ferry.

Tickets and information

Information desks are information available from staff: Yes - from help point, Helpline Contact: Tel: 0800 046 1634 and 18001 0800 046 1634 (Deaf and customers who are hard of hearing), Passenger Information Systems: Departure screens, Announcements.

Luggage and lost property

Lost and found is available at the station.

Parking, taxis and toilets

Available at Broughty Ferry: Parking.

Bike and car services

Available at Broughty Ferry: Bike Parking, Bike Rental.

Accessibility

Accessibility facilities are available at Broughty Ferry: Staff help available: No, Step free access coverage: Yes, Step free access note: This is a Category A station. Accessible to both platforms - level crossing between platforms, Accessible car park equipment: Wheelchair users may require assistance using car park equipment at this station, Ramp for train access: Yes, Wheelchairs available: No, Impaired mobility set down / pick up points available: No.

Train stations for Dundee to London

Check train stations information for Dundee and London, including where trains depart and arrive on this route.

The train station in Dundee that goes to London is Dundee, which connects to London Kings Cross.

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