- Must visit
Museum of Contemporary Art Antwerp (M HKA)
Bold contemporary museum with major fashion, photography, and art shows. Antwerp’s flagship museum for modern culture and big-name exhibitions.
Flights from Budapest to Antwerp depart on average 85 times per day, taking around 3h 29m. Cheap flight tickets for this journey start at €24 if you book in advance.
There are 5 flights per day. The earliest flight runs at 05:10, the last at 22:15. The fastest flight covers the 705 miles (1136 km) distance in 1h 45m. July is the cheapest month to fly.
Distance 705 miles (1136 km) |
Average flight duration 3h 29m |
Cheapest ticket price €24 |
Flights per day 85 |
Direct flights 5 |
Fastest flight 1h 45m |
First flight 5:10 AM |
Last flight 10:15 PM |
Cheapest Month Jul |
Cheapest Day Thu |
High Season Oct - Dec |
Low Season Apr - Jun |
Busiest Day Sat |
Least Busy Day Mon |
Best time to book 1 day |
Cheapest price on Sep 15
€61
Average ticket price on Sep 15
€436
Fastest journey on Sep 15
2 h
Average journey duration on Sep 15
2 h 23 m
Flights on Sep 15
111
Distance
1136 km
The best way to find a cheap flight ticket from Budapest to Antwerp is to book your journey as far in advance as possible and to avoid traveling at rush hour.
The average ticket from Budapest to Antwerp will cost around €436 if you buy it on the day, but the cheapest tickets can be found for only €61.
On Tue, Sep 15, we found 111 flights from Budapest to Antwerp, including 4 direct services.
On Tue, Sep 15 the direct flights cover the 1136 km distance in an average of 2 h 23 m but if you time it right, some flights will get you there in just 2 h .
On Tue, Sep 15 the longest flights will take 3 h 40 m and usually involve a change or two along the way, but you might be able to save a few pennies if you’re on a budget.
W62281
FR 4263
SK780 · SK593
W62387+
TB1102
LO536 · LO235
SN2830
FR 4263
SN2826
W62281
KL1362 · KL1703Omio recommends booking the flight as it is the most popular option from Budapest to Antwerp among Omio's users. If you are prioritising price, take the bus, with an average ticket price of €117 For those with little time, consider booking a flight, which has an average total journey time of 5h 29m. If you are seeking to minimise your carbon footprint, the train is your best option, with estimated CO2 emissions of 0.3 - 1.0kg. Average ticket prices depend on the travel mode: a bus costs an average of €117, while a flight costs an average of €479.
Distance: 705 miles (1136 km)
Most popular Flight | Train | Bus | Driving |
|---|---|---|---|
€479 Average price | €183 Average price | €117 Average price Cheapest | €241 Average price (fuel + tolls) |
5h 29m Average total duration Fastest 3h 29m Onboard + 2h 0m Additional time* | 15h 47m Average total duration 15h 17m Onboard + 30m Additional time* | 23h 49m Average total duration 23h 19m Onboard + 30m Additional time* | 13h 38m Average total duration (door-to-door) |
- CO2 emissions | 0.3 - 1.0kg CO2 emissions Lowest | 1.1 - 2.8kg CO2 emissions | - CO2 emissions |
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Additional time: Average total travel duration to departure point, security checks and transfers.
This is compared to other travel options from Budapest to Antwerp:
A bus is €67 less than a train for this route with tickets for a train from Budapest to Antwerp costing on average €183.
A bus is €363 less than a flight for this route with tickets for a flight from Budapest to Antwerp costing on average €479.
Other travel options to Antwerp take longer:
Train takes on average 15h 17m.
Bus takes on average 23h 19m.
The table below shows live departures for Budapest to Antwerp flights for today, Monday, September 14. You can also manually refresh the results below to see updated flight journeys.
| Provider | Departs | Duration | Arrives | Transfers | Tickets |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
LO532 · LO235 | 8:25 PM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 13h00 | 9:25 AM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
LO532 · LO233 | 8:25 PM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 22h15 | 6:40 PM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
LO532 · LO231 | 8:25 PM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 26h10 | 10:35 PM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
TK1038 · TK1941 | 8:35 PM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 24h50 | 9:25 PM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
TK1038 · TK1939 | 8:35 PM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 20h55 | 5:30 PM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
TK1038 · TK1937 | 8:35 PM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 13h20 | 9:55 AM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
TK1038 · TK1943 | 8:35 PM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 16h55 | 1:30 PM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
| Tuesday, September 15 | |||||
W62387+ TB1102 | 5:15 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 15h25 | 8:40 PM Antwerp International Airport | 1 transfer | |
SN7148+ SN2610 | 5:55 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 5h55 | 11:50 AM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
LH1343 · LH992+ 9398 | 5:55 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 16h35 | 10:30 PM Antwerp-Central | 2 transfers | |
LH1343 · LH988+ 9476 | 5:55 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 12h35 | 6:30 PM Antwerp-Central | 2 transfers | |
LH1343 · LH992+ 9476 | 5:55 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 12h35 | 6:30 PM Antwerp-Central | 2 transfers | |
LH1683+ LH5628 | 6:00 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 4h20 | 10:20 AM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
KL1362+ 9328 | 6:00 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 4h30 | 10:30 AM Antwerp-Central | 1 transfer | |
LH1683 · LH2302+ 9476 | 6:00 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 12h30 | 6:30 PM Antwerp-Central | 2 transfers | |
KL1362 · KL1705 | 6:00 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 8h40 | 2:40 PM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
LH1683 · LH2304+ 9398 | 6:00 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 16h30 | 10:30 PM Antwerp-Central | 2 transfers | |
KL1362 · KL1703 | 6:00 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 3h40 | 9:40 AM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
SN2830 | 6:35 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 2h00 | 8:35 AM Brussels Airport | 0 transfersDirect | |
OS640+ OS8171 | 6:45 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 4h20 | 11:05 AM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
OS640+ OS313+ 9476 | 6:45 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 11h45 | 6:30 PM Antwerp-Central | 2 transfers | |
OS640+ OS313+ 9388 | 6:45 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 13h45 | 8:30 PM Antwerp-Central | 2 transfers | |
OS640+ OS313+ 9382 | 6:45 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 12h45 | 7:30 PM Antwerp-Central | 2 transfers | |
W62281 | 6:50 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 2h05 | 8:55 AM Brussels South Charleroi Airport | 0 transfersDirect | |
BA871 · BA438+ 9398 | 7:20 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 15h10 | 10:30 PM Antwerp-Central | 2 transfers | |
BA871 · BA432+ 9398 | 7:20 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 15h10 | 10:30 PM Antwerp-Central | 2 transfers | |
BA871 · BA436+ 9398 | 7:20 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 15h10 | 10:30 PM Antwerp-Central | 2 transfers | |
BA871 · BA390 | 7:20 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 11h50 | 7:10 PM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
BA871 · BA386 | 7:20 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 7h05 | 2:25 PM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
RO232 · RO373 | 9:00 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 9h25 | 6:25 PM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
TK1036 · TK1943 | 9:00 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 28h25 | 1:25 PM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
TK1036+ TK9008 · TK8151 | 9:00 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 13h35 | 10:35 PM Brussels Airport | 2 transfers | |
TK1036 · TK1937 | 9:00 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 25h10 | 10:10 AM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
TK1036+ TK8148 · TK8151 | 9:00 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 13h35 | 10:35 PM Brussels Airport | 2 transfers | |
TK1036 · TK1939 | 9:00 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 8h30 | 5:30 PM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
TK1036 · TK1941 | 9:00 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 12h25 | 9:25 PM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
TK1036 · TK1765+ TK8151 | 9:00 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 13h35 | 10:35 PM Brussels Airport | 2 transfers | |
LH1685+ LH5580 | 9:10 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 4h00 | 1:10 PM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
LH1685 · LH2304+ 9398 | 9:10 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 13h20 | 10:30 PM Antwerp-Central | 2 transfers | |
LH1685 · LH2306+ 9398 | 9:10 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 13h20 | 10:30 PM Antwerp-Central | 2 transfers | |
LH1685 · LH2304+ 9476 | 9:10 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 9h20 | 6:30 PM Antwerp-Central | 2 transfers | |
SN7140+ SN2612 | 9:30 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 4h10 | 1:40 PM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
LH1335 · LH992+ 9398 | 9:30 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 13h00 | 10:30 PM Antwerp-Central | 2 transfers | |
LH1335 · LH996+ 9398 | 9:30 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 13h00 | 10:30 PM Antwerp-Central | 2 transfers | |
LH1335 · LH992+ 9476 | 9:30 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 9h00 | 6:30 PM Antwerp-Central | 2 transfers | |
LO534 · LO233 | 9:45 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 8h55 | 6:40 PM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
LO534 · LO237 | 9:45 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 26h45 | 12:30 PM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
LX2251+ LX732+ 9398 | 9:45 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 12h45 | 10:30 PM Antwerp-Central | 2 transfers | |
LO534 · LO231 | 9:45 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 12h50 | 10:35 PM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
LO534 · LO235 | 9:45 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 23h40 | 9:25 AM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
LX2251+ LX780 | 9:45 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 4h30 | 2:15 PM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
LO534 · LO267+ 9398 | 9:45 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 12h45 | 10:30 PM Antwerp-Central | 2 transfers | |
LX2251 · LX728+ 9398 | 9:45 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 12h45 | 10:30 PM Antwerp-Central | 2 transfers | |
SK780 · SK597 | 10:25 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 9h25 | 7:50 PM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
SK780 · SK627 | 10:25 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 8h15 | 6:40 PM Dusseldorf Airport | 1 transfer | |
SK780 · SK1621 | 10:25 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 4h15 | 2:40 PM Dusseldorf Airport | 1 transfer | |
SK780 · SK1629 | 10:25 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 23h05 | 9:30 AM Dusseldorf Airport | 1 transfer | |
SK780 · SK1549+ 9382 | 10:25 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 9h05 | 7:30 PM Antwerp-Central | 2 transfers | |
SK780 · SK1595 | 10:25 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 8h05 | 6:30 PM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
SK780 · SK593 | 10:25 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 23h15 | 9:40 AM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
SK780 · SK1549+ 9398 | 10:25 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 12h05 | 10:30 PM Antwerp-Central | 2 transfers | |
SK780 · SK629 | 10:25 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 11h45 | 10:10 PM Dusseldorf Airport | 1 transfer | |
SK780 · SK1593 | 10:25 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 4h10 | 2:35 PM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
SK780 · SK553+ 9398 | 10:25 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 12h05 | 10:30 PM Antwerp-Central | 2 transfers | |
OS632 · OS295 | 11:15 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 5h30 | 4:45 PM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
KL1364+ 9476 | 11:25 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 7h05 | 6:30 PM Antwerp-Central | 1 transfer | |
KL1364+ 9398 | 11:25 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 11h05 | 10:30 PM Antwerp-Central | 1 transfer | |
KL1364 · KL1707 | 11:25 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 10h50 | 10:15 PM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
KL1364+ 9382 | 11:25 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 8h05 | 7:30 PM Antwerp-Central | 1 transfer | |
BA863 · BA390 | 11:40 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 7h30 | 7:10 PM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
SN7142+ SN2614 | 11:40 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 5h50 | 5:30 PM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
LH1337 · LH996+ 9398 | 11:40 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 10h50 | 10:30 PM Antwerp-Central | 2 transfers | |
LH1337 · LH996+ 9388 | 11:40 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 8h50 | 8:30 PM Antwerp-Central | 2 transfers | |
BA863 · BA440+ 9398 | 11:40 AM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 10h50 | 10:30 PM Antwerp-Central | 2 transfers | |
LO536 · LO235 | 12:45 PM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 20h40 | 9:25 AM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
AF1295 · AF1140+ 9398 | 12:45 PM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 9h45 | 10:30 PM Antwerp-Central | 2 transfers | |
LO536 · LO267+ 9398 | 12:45 PM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 9h45 | 10:30 PM Antwerp-Central | 2 transfers | |
LO536 · LO231 | 12:45 PM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 9h50 | 10:35 PM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
LO536 · LO237 | 12:45 PM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 23h45 | 12:30 PM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
LO536 · LO233 | 12:45 PM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 5h55 | 6:40 PM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
AF1295 · AF1440+ 9398 | 12:45 PM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 9h45 | 10:30 PM Antwerp-Central | 2 transfers | |
KL1366+ 9398 | 1:00 PM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 9h30 | 10:30 PM Antwerp-Central | 1 transfer | |
KL1366+ 9476 | 1:00 PM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 5h30 | 6:30 PM Antwerp-Central | 1 transfer | |
KL1366 · KL1707 | 1:00 PM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 9h15 | 10:15 PM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
KL1366+ 9382 | 1:00 PM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 6h30 | 7:30 PM Antwerp-Central | 1 transfer | |
LH1677+ LH5630 | 1:20 PM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 3h55 | 5:15 PM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
LH1677+ LH5582 | 1:20 PM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 6h35 | 7:55 PM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
FR 4263 | 1:40 PM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 2h05 | 3:45 PM Brussels South Charleroi Airport | 0 transfersDirect | |
TK1034 · TK1943 | 2:10 PM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 23h15 | 1:25 PM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
TK1034 · TK1941 | 2:10 PM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 7h15 | 9:25 PM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
TK1034 · TK1939 | 2:10 PM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 27h15 | 5:25 PM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
TK1034 · TK1937 | 2:10 PM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 20h00 | 10:10 AM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
LX2255+ LX4556 | 2:50 PM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 6h40 | 9:30 PM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
LX2255+ LX734+ 9398 | 2:50 PM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 7h40 | 10:30 PM Antwerp-Central | 2 transfers | |
OS636+ OS317+ 9398 | 3:10 PM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 7h20 | 10:30 PM Antwerp-Central | 2 transfers | |
OS636 · OS297 | 3:10 PM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 4h00 | 7:10 PM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
OS636+ OS8173 | 3:10 PM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 4h45 | 7:55 PM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
KL1368+ 9398 | 5:25 PM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 5h05 | 10:30 PM Antwerp-Central | 1 transfer | |
KL1368 · KL1707 | 5:25 PM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 4h50 | 10:15 PM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
LH1679+ LH5584 | 5:30 PM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 5h40 | 11:10 PM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
LO538 · LO233 | 5:30 PM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 25h10 | 6:40 PM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
LO538 · LO231 | 5:30 PM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 5h05 | 10:35 PM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
LO538 · LO235 | 5:30 PM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 15h55 | 9:25 AM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
LO538 · LO237 | 5:30 PM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 19h00 | 12:30 PM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
SN2826 | 6:00 PM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 2h05 | 8:05 PM Brussels Airport | 0 transfersDirect | |
BA867 · BA384 | 6:05 PM Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport | 15h50 | 9:55 AM Brussels Airport | 1 transfer | |
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Bold contemporary museum with major fashion, photography, and art shows. Antwerp’s flagship museum for modern culture and big-name exhibitions.
Antwerp’s landmark museum on the river, covering city history, world cultures, and design. The rooftop offers outstanding panoramic views.
Recently restored fine arts museum with Flemish masters and modern works. A top choice for seeing Antwerp’s artistic heritage in depth.
Elegant shopping avenue known for fashion, luxury boutiques, and grand architecture. Great for people-watching and a stylish city walk.
Historic riverside district of narrow lanes, old houses, and intimate squares. One of Antwerp’s most atmospheric areas for wandering.
Revitalized dockside quarter around MAS with modern architecture, marinas, and broad promenades. Popular for sunset walks and photography.
A small hand-shaped butter biscuit spiced with cinnamon and baked crisp. It is Antwerp's signature sweet, linked to the city's Brabo legend.
Rich Belgian beef stew slowly cooked with dark beer, onions, and herbs. A beloved comfort dish often served with fries in Antwerp brasseries.
Mussels steamed with celery, onion, and white wine or beer, usually paired with fries. A classic Belgian coastal favorite widely enjoyed in Antwerp.
Celebrated fine dining restaurant by chef Zilte in MAS. Known for refined tasting menus, polished service, and panoramic city views.
Brewery venue and city beer landmark serving De Koninck beers with Belgian dishes. Lively atmosphere and a strong focus on Antwerp brewing heritage.
Popular casual spot for traditional Belgian fries with a wide choice of sauces. Quick, local, and ideal for an authentic street food stop.
Moderate for Western Europe: hotels are mid-priced, dining is manageable, and transit is reasonable versus Brussels, Amsterdam, or Paris.
Service is usually included. Round up or leave 5-10% for great service. Taxis: round up. Cafes: small change is fine.
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Antwerp International Airport, Antwerp -> Antwerpen-Centraal, Antwerp
Find answers to the most common questions about traveling from Budapest to Antwerp by flight. From journey times and ticket prices to direct connections, first and last departures, and even whether the route is scenic, our FAQs cover everything you need to plan your trip. Whether you’re looking for the fastest flight, the cheapest option, or tips for making the most of your visit at Antwerp, this guide helps you travel smarter and with confidence.

Most Budapest to Antwerp flights use the Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport to Dusseldorf Airport airport pair. Use this guide to compare Budapest and Antwerp airports on this route, check city-centre transport, alongside checking practicalities like airport facilities and services.
Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport is 16 km from Budapest city centre. Public transport options include:
Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport has practical services for this route, including Wifi, Shopping, Parking, ATM, Taxis, Accessibility, WC, Shower, Lounge, and Lost and Found Office.
Free Wi-Fi available throughout the airport. ATMs are located in Terminals 2A and 2B.
Lost and found is available at the station.
Available at Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport: Parking, Taxis, WC.
Accessibility facilities are available at Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport: Ramps, toilets.
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