- Must visit
Vatican Museums
One of the world’s greatest museum complexes, known for classical sculpture, Renaissance masterpieces, and the Sistine Chapel. Advance booking is strongly recommended due to very high demand.
Flights from Edinburgh to Rome depart on average 79 times per day, taking around 3h 50m. Cheap flight tickets for this journey start at $36 (€29) if you book in advance.
There are 1 flights per day. The earliest flight runs at 05:10, the last at 23:00. The fastest flight covers the 1198 miles (1928 km) distance in 3h 0m. November is the cheapest month to fly.
Distance 1198 miles (1928 km) |
Average flight duration 3h 50m |
Cheapest ticket price $36 (€29) |
Flights per day 79 |
Direct flights 1 |
Fastest flight 3h 0m |
First flight 5:10 AM |
Last flight 11:00 PM |
Cheapest Month Nov |
Cheapest Day Mon |
High Season Jan - Mar |
Low Season Jul - Sep |
Busiest Day Mon |
Least Busy Day Tue |
Best time to book 1 day |
Cheapest price
$91
Average price
$1052
Fastest journey
3 h
Average duration
4 h 30 m
Flights per day
91
Distance
1928 km
The best way to find a cheap flight ticket from Edinburgh to Rome is to book your journey as far in advance as possible and to avoid traveling at rush hour.
The average ticket from Edinburgh to Rome will cost around $1052 if you buy it on the day, but the cheapest tickets can be found for only $91.
Of the 91 flights that leave Edinburgh for Rome onThu, Jul 02, 1 travel direct so it’s quite easy to avoid journeys where you’ll have to change along the way.
On Thu, Jul 02 the direct flights cover the 1928 km distance in an average of 4 h 30 m but if you time it right, some flights will get you there in just 3 h .
On Thu, Jul 02 the longest flights will take 5 h 15 m and usually involve a change or two along the way, but you might be able to save a few pennies if you’re on a budget.
FR 5589
AF1204+
AF1487
KL922 · KL1607
D83501 · D83730
VY7847 · VY6100
FR 5589
KL928 · KL1607
KL932 · KL1609
KL922 · KL1603
BA1441 · BA556Omio recommends booking the flight as it is the most popular option from Edinburgh to Rome among Omio's users. If you are prioritising price take the flight with prices starting from $36. For those with little time consider booking a flight which can get you there in 3h 50m. In case you are seeking to minimise your carbon footprint the bus is your best bet as it emits only 1.9 - 4.8kg. The ticket price range depends on the travel mode: a flight costs an average of $36, and a train costs an average of $835.
Distance: 1198 miles (1928 km)
Most popular Flight | Bus | Train | Driving |
|---|---|---|---|
$176 Average price Cheapest | $229 Average price | $835 Average price | $470 Average price (fuel + tolls) |
6h 50m Average total duration Fastest 3h 50m Onboard + 3h 0m Additional time* | 43h 21m Average total duration 42h 51m Onboard + 30m Additional time* | 29h 3m Average total duration 28h 33m Onboard + 30m Additional time* | 25h 51m Average total duration (door-to-door) |
5.8 - 11.6kg CO2 emissions | 1.9 - 4.8kg CO2 emissions Lowest | - CO2 emissions | - CO2 emissions |
Direct Options | Direct Options | Direct Options | Direct Options |
Additional time: Average total travel duration to departure point, security checks and transfers.
This is compared to other travel options from Edinburgh to Rome:
A flight is $53 (€44) less than a bus for this route with tickets for a bus from Edinburgh to Rome costing on average $229 (€189).
A flight is $659 (€543) less than a train for this route with tickets for a train from Edinburgh to Rome costing on average $835 (€688).
Other travel options to Rome take longer:
Train takes on average 28h 33m.
Bus takes on average 42h 51m.
The table below shows live departures for Edinburgh to Rome flights for today, Wednesday, July 1. You can also manually refresh the results below to see updated flight journeys.
| Provider | Departs | Duration | Arrives | Transfers | Tickets |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
SN2064 · SN3183 | 12:40 PM Edinburgh Airport | 6h35 | 8:15 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
SN2064+ SN4127 | 12:40 PM Edinburgh Airport | 7h20 | 9:00 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
SN2064 · SN3149+ AZ2109 | 12:40 PM Edinburgh Airport | 6h30 | 8:10 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 2 transfers | |
SN2064 · SN3149+ SN4198 | 12:40 PM Edinburgh Airport | 6h30 | 8:10 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 2 transfers | |
LH961+ LH5148 | 12:50 PM Edinburgh Airport | 6h35 | 8:25 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
LH961 · LH116+ LH5186 | 12:50 PM Edinburgh Airport | 6h50 | 8:40 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 2 transfers | |
OS7332+ OS214+ OS557 | 12:50 PM Edinburgh Airport | 6h50 | 8:40 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 2 transfers | |
KL928 · KL1607 | 1:10 PM Edinburgh Airport | 4h35 | 6:45 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
KL928 · KL1609 | 1:10 PM Edinburgh Airport | 8h35 | 10:45 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
BA1447 · BA562 | 1:40 PM Edinburgh Airport | 7h55 | 10:35 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
BA1447 · BA560 | 1:40 PM Edinburgh Airport | 5h25 | 8:05 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
BA1447 · BA564 | 1:40 PM Edinburgh Airport | 9h05 | 11:45 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
QR6286+ QR12 · QR131 | 1:40 PM Edinburgh Airport | 23h35 | 2:15 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 2 transfers | |
QR6286+ QR16 · QR131 | 1:40 PM Edinburgh Airport | 23h35 | 2:15 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 2 transfers | |
LX8291+ LX3440 | 1:50 PM Edinburgh Airport | 5h45 | 8:35 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
LX8291+ LX1732 | 1:50 PM Edinburgh Airport | 4h35 | 7:25 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
D83503 · D83730 | 3:10 PM Edinburgh Airport | 16h40 | 8:50 AM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
QR30 · QR115 | 3:10 PM Edinburgh Airport | 15h15 | 7:25 AM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
QR30 · QR131 | 3:10 PM Edinburgh Airport | 22h05 | 2:15 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
QR30 · QR113 | 3:10 PM Edinburgh Airport | 28h45 | 8:55 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
QR30 · QR147+ QR6854 | 3:10 PM Edinburgh Airport | 19h00 | 11:10 AM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 2 transfers | |
QR30 · QR137+ QR3561 | 3:10 PM Edinburgh Airport | 23h40 | 3:50 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 2 transfers | |
BA1451 · BA562 | 3:25 PM Edinburgh Airport | 6h10 | 10:35 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
BA1451 · BA564 | 3:25 PM Edinburgh Airport | 7h20 | 11:45 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
QR8311+ QR16 · QR131 | 3:25 PM Edinburgh Airport | 21h50 | 2:15 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 2 transfers | |
QR8311+ QR12 · QR131 | 3:25 PM Edinburgh Airport | 21h50 | 2:15 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 2 transfers | |
BA1453 · BA564 | 4:30 PM Edinburgh Airport | 6h15 | 11:45 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
BA1453 · BA562 | 4:30 PM Edinburgh Airport | 5h05 | 10:35 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
KL932 · KL1603 | 5:05 PM Edinburgh Airport | 17h40 | 11:45 AM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
KL932 · KL1609 | 5:05 PM Edinburgh Airport | 4h40 | 10:45 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
KL932 · KL1601 | 5:05 PM Edinburgh Airport | 15h30 | 9:35 AM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
FR 5589 | 5:15 PM Edinburgh Airport | 3h00 | 9:15 PM Rome Ciampino Airport | 0 transfersDirect | |
AF1104+ AF1487 | 5:25 PM Edinburgh Airport | 17h00 | 11:25 AM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
AF1204+ AF1487 | 5:25 PM Edinburgh Airport | 14h30 | 8:55 AM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
LH963+ LH5678+ LH5069 | 5:50 PM Edinburgh Airport | 12h40 | 7:30 AM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 2 transfers | |
QR5990+ QR16 · QR131 | 6:45 PM Edinburgh Airport | 18h30 | 2:15 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 2 transfers | |
| Thursday, July 2 | |||||
AF1887 · AF1404 | 5:40 AM Edinburgh Airport | 12h25 | 7:05 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
AF1887 · AF1504 | 5:40 AM Edinburgh Airport | 7h45 | 2:25 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
AF1887 · AF1604 | 5:40 AM Edinburgh Airport | 10h50 | 5:30 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
AF1887 · AF1304 | 5:40 AM Edinburgh Airport | 9h55 | 4:35 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
AF1887 · AF1004 | 5:40 AM Edinburgh Airport | 16h35 | 11:15 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
KL922 · KL1605 | 5:45 AM Edinburgh Airport | 9h40 | 4:25 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
KL922 · KL1609 | 5:45 AM Edinburgh Airport | 16h00 | 10:45 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
KL922 · KL1603 | 5:45 AM Edinburgh Airport | 5h00 | 11:45 AM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
KL922 · KL1607 | 5:45 AM Edinburgh Airport | 12h00 | 6:45 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
BA1467 · BA550 | 5:50 AM Edinburgh Airport | 7h30 | 2:20 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
BA1467 · BA552 | 5:50 AM Edinburgh Airport | 8h55 | 3:45 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
LH965 · LH232 | 6:10 AM Edinburgh Airport | 5h20 | 12:30 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
LH965+ LH5146 | 6:10 AM Edinburgh Airport | 6h30 | 1:40 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
LH965+ AZ403 | 6:10 AM Edinburgh Airport | 6h30 | 1:40 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
OS7214+ OS208 · OS557 | 6:10 AM Edinburgh Airport | 13h30 | 8:40 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 2 transfers | |
OS7214+ OS204+ OS557 | 6:10 AM Edinburgh Airport | 13h30 | 8:40 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 2 transfers | |
OS7214+ OS206+ OS557 | 6:10 AM Edinburgh Airport | 13h30 | 8:40 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 2 transfers | |
OS7214+ OS206+ OS557 | 6:10 AM Edinburgh Airport | 13h30 | 8:40 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 2 transfers | |
FR 5589 | 6:15 AM Edinburgh Airport | 3h00 | 10:15 AM Rome Ciampino Airport | 0 transfersDirect | |
BA552+ BA8701 | 6:20 AM Edinburgh Airport | 8h25 | 3:45 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
BA1465 · BA552 | 7:00 AM Edinburgh Airport | 7h45 | 3:45 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
BA1465 · BA556 | 7:00 AM Edinburgh Airport | 8h55 | 4:55 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
BA1465 · BA550 | 7:00 AM Edinburgh Airport | 6h20 | 2:20 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
BA556+ BA8711 | 7:00 AM Edinburgh Airport | 8h55 | 4:55 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
BA552+ BA8711 | 7:00 AM Edinburgh Airport | 7h45 | 3:45 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
QR32 · QR115 | 7:55 AM Edinburgh Airport | 22h30 | 7:25 AM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
QR32 · QR131 | 7:55 AM Edinburgh Airport | 29h20 | 2:15 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
D83501 · D83730 | 8:25 AM Edinburgh Airport | 23h25 | 8:50 AM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
D83501 · D83732 | 8:25 AM Edinburgh Airport | 11h20 | 8:45 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
BA1437 · BA556 | 8:35 AM Edinburgh Airport | 7h20 | 4:55 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
QR5921+ QR4 · QR115 | 8:35 AM Edinburgh Airport | 21h50 | 7:25 AM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 2 transfers | |
QR8283 · QR18 · QR115 | 8:35 AM Edinburgh Airport | 21h50 | 7:25 AM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 2 transfers | |
QR5921+ QR8 · QR115 | 8:35 AM Edinburgh Airport | 21h50 | 7:25 AM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 2 transfers | |
BA1437 · BA552 | 8:35 AM Edinburgh Airport | 6h10 | 3:45 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
BA554+ BA8703 | 8:50 AM Edinburgh Airport | 9h30 | 7:20 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
BA556+ BA8703 | 8:50 AM Edinburgh Airport | 7h05 | 4:55 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
LX1662+ LX4087+ LX8291 | 8:50 AM Edinburgh Airport | 6h35 | 4:25 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 2 transfers | |
D84464 · D84357 | 8:55 AM Edinburgh Airport | 9h20 | 7:15 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
KL1607+ KL924 | 9:15 AM Edinburgh Airport | 8h30 | 6:45 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
KL1605+ KL924 | 9:15 AM Edinburgh Airport | 6h10 | 4:25 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
KL1609+ KL924 | 9:15 AM Edinburgh Airport | 12h30 | 10:45 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
QR8288 · QR18 · QR115 | 9:15 AM Edinburgh Airport | 21h10 | 7:25 AM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 2 transfers | |
QR8287 · QR18 · QR115 | 9:40 AM Edinburgh Airport | 20h45 | 7:25 AM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 2 transfers | |
EW9365 · EW9886 | 9:45 AM Edinburgh Airport | 8h25 | 7:10 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
BA1439 · BA554 | 9:55 AM Edinburgh Airport | 8h25 | 7:20 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
BA1439 · BA556 | 9:55 AM Edinburgh Airport | 6h00 | 4:55 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
QR6282+ QR4 · QR115 | 9:55 AM Edinburgh Airport | 20h30 | 7:25 AM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 2 transfers | |
QR6282+ QR8 · QR115 | 9:55 AM Edinburgh Airport | 20h30 | 7:25 AM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 2 transfers | |
BA1441 · BA554 | 10:40 AM Edinburgh Airport | 7h40 | 7:20 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
QR6283+ QR4 · QR115 | 10:40 AM Edinburgh Airport | 19h45 | 7:25 AM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 2 transfers | |
QR6283+ QR8 · QR115 | 10:40 AM Edinburgh Airport | 19h45 | 7:25 AM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 2 transfers | |
BA1441 · BA556 | 10:40 AM Edinburgh Airport | 5h15 | 4:55 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
BA554+ BA8715 | 10:40 AM Edinburgh Airport | 7h40 | 7:20 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
AF1687 · AF1004 | 11:35 AM Edinburgh Airport | 10h40 | 11:15 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
AF1687 · AF1404 | 11:35 AM Edinburgh Airport | 6h30 | 7:05 PM Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport | 1 transfer | |
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One of the world’s greatest museum complexes, known for classical sculpture, Renaissance masterpieces, and the Sistine Chapel. Advance booking is strongly recommended due to very high demand.
A celebrated villa museum with major works by Bernini, Caravaggio, and Canova, set inside Villa Borghese gardens. Timed-entry tickets are required and usually need advance reservation.
The city’s historic civic museums on Capitoline Hill, featuring Roman bronzes, sculpture, paintings, and superb views over the Forum area.
A grand Baroque square lined with fountains, churches, and elegant facades. It remains one of Rome’s classic walking and people-watching spots.
A famous monumental staircase linking Piazza di Spagna with Trinità dei Monti, popular for photos, shopping nearby, and city atmosphere.
A characterful district of narrow lanes, ivy-covered facades, and lively evening atmosphere, widely loved for wandering and street photography.
A classic Roman pasta with Pecorino Romano and black pepper. It is one of the city’s most iconic dishes for its simplicity and bold flavor.
Traditional Roman pasta made with guanciale, egg yolk, Pecorino Romano, and black pepper. It is a defining dish of Rome and should not contain cream.
Pasta with tomato, guanciale, Pecorino Romano, and chili. Though linked with Amatrice, it is a staple on Roman menus and deeply rooted in local cooking.
A historic trattoria near the Pantheon, respected for traditional Roman dishes such as carbonara, amatriciana, and seasonal specialties in an intimate atmosphere.
A celebrated central Rome dining room and delicatessen known for classic Roman pasta, cured meats, and an exceptional wine list in a lively upscale setting.
A famous Trastevere trattoria known for authentic Roman comfort food, including cacio e pepe, meatballs, and artichokes, with a classic casual feel.
Moderate for Western Europe: food and coffee can be reasonable, but hotels and major tourist areas cost more.
Service is often included or modest. Locals may round up or leave EUR 1-2 for coffee, 5-10% for good restaurant service; tips are appreciated, not required.
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Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport -> Roma Termini, Rome
Find answers to the most common questions about traveling from Edinburgh to Rome by flight. From journey times and ticket prices to direct connections, first and last departures, and even whether the route is scenic, our FAQs cover everything you need to plan your trip. Whether you’re looking for the fastest flight, the cheapest option, or tips for making the most of your visit at Rome, this guide helps you travel smarter and with confidence.

Most Edinburgh to Rome flights use the Edinburgh Airport to Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport airport pair, with some services landing at Rome Ciampino Airport. Use this guide to compare Edinburgh and Rome airports on this route, check city-centre transport, alongside checking practicalities like airport facilities and services.
Edinburgh Airport has practical services for this route, including Wifi, Shopping, Parking, ATM, Taxis, Accessibility, WC, Shower, Lounge, and Lost and Found Office.
Free Wi-Fi available throughout the airport. ATMs are located in the terminal, offering multiple currencies.
Lost and found is available at the station.
Available at Edinburgh Airport: Parking, Taxis, WC.
Accessibility facilities are available at Edinburgh Airport: Ramps, assistance.
Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport is 3 km from Rome city centre. Public transport options include:
Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport has practical services for this route, including Wifi, Shopping, Parking, ATM, Taxis, Accessibility, WC, Shower, Lounge, and Lost and Found Office.
Free Wi-Fi available throughout the airport for an unlimited duration. ATMs are located throughout the airport in all terminals.
Lost and found is available at the station.
Available at Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport: Parking, Taxis, WC.
Accessibility facilities are available at Rome Leonardo da Vinci Fiumicino Airport: Ramps, assistance, toilets.
Rome Ciampino Airport is 1 km from Rome city centre. Public transport options include:
Rome Ciampino Airport has practical services for this route, including Wifi, Shopping, Parking, ATM, Taxis, Accessibility, WC, Lounge, and Lost and Found Office.
Free Wi-Fi available throughout the airport. ATMs are located in the arrivals and departures areas.
Lost and found is available at the station.
Available at Rome Ciampino Airport: Parking, Taxis, WC.
Accessibility facilities are available at Rome Ciampino Airport: Ramps, toilets.
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