- Must visit
MUDO – Musée de l'Oise
The main art and history museum of Beauvais, housed in the former bishops' palace. Known for fine arts collections, regional heritage, and the historic setting itself.
Cheapest price
$12
Average price
$12
Fastest journey
2 h 15 m
Average duration
2 h 15 m
Buses per day
1
Distance
67 km
The best way to find a cheap bus ticket from Paris to Beauvais is to book your journey as far in advance as possible and to avoid traveling at rush hour.
The average ticket from Paris to Beauvais will cost around $12 if you buy it on the day, but the cheapest tickets can be found for only $12.
Of the 1 buses that leave Paris for Beauvais on Sat, Jul 04, 1 travel direct so it’s quite easy to avoid journeys where you’ll have to change along the way.
On Sat, Jul 04 the direct buses cover the 67 km distance in an average of 2 h 15 m but if you time it right, some buses will get you there in just 2 h 15 m .
On Sat, Jul 04 the slowest buses will take 2 h 15 m and usually involve a change or two along the way, but you might be able to save a few pennies if you’re on a budget.
FlixBus
FlixBusOmio recommends booking the bus as it is the most popular option from Paris to Beauvais among Omio's users. If you are prioritising price take the train with prices starting from $9. For those with little time consider booking a train which can get you there in 1h 23m. In case you are seeking to minimise your carbon footprint the train is your best bet as it emits only 0.0 - 0.1kg. The ticket price range depends on the travel mode: a train costs an average of $9, and a bus costs an average of $7.
Distance: 41 miles (67 km)
Most popular Bus | Train | Driving |
|---|---|---|
$45 Average price | $19 Average price Cheapest | $22 Average price (fuel + tolls) |
1h 57m Average total duration 1h 27m Onboard + 30m Additional time* | 1h 53m Average total duration Fastest 1h 23m Onboard + 30m Additional time* | 1h 35m Average total duration (door-to-door) |
0.1 - 0.2kg CO2 emissions | 0.0 - 0.1kg CO2 emissions Lowest | - CO2 emissions |
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Direct Options | Direct Options | Direct Options |
Additional time: Average total travel duration to departure point, security checks and transfers.
This is compared to other travel options from Paris to Beauvais:
A train is $26 (€21) less than a bus for this route with tickets for a bus from Paris to Beauvais costing on average $45 (€37).
Other travel options to Beauvais take longer:
Bus takes on average 1h 27m.
You'll arrive about 8m sooner (1h 27m by bus vs 1h 35m by car). Tickets start at around $45 (€37) compared to roughly $22 (€18) in fuel and tolls — a bit more, but you're getting time back, skipping traffic and parking, and you can work or rest on board.
Direct coaches are operated by Navette Beauvais, BlaBlaCar, Infobus, FlixBus.
Driving makes more sense if you're travelling as a group (where fuel splits across several people), want flexibility on timing, or plan to stop en route.
| Operator | Departure Time | Arrival Time | Duration | Departure days | Cheapest price |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 12:00AM | Arrival Time 01:14AM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 12:20AM | Arrival Time 01:34AM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 12:40AM | Arrival Time 01:54AM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 01:00AM | Arrival Time 02:14AM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 01:20AM | Arrival Time 02:34AM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 01:40AM | Arrival Time 02:51AM | Duration 1h11 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 02:00AM | Arrival Time 03:14AM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 02:20AM | Arrival Time 03:32AM | Duration 1h12 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 02:40AM | Arrival Time 03:54AM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 03:00AM | Arrival Time 04:14AM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 03:20AM | Arrival Time 04:34AM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 03:40AM | Arrival Time 04:54AM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 04:00AM | Arrival Time 05:14AM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Infobus | Departure Time 04:00AM | Arrival Time 05:40AM | Duration 1h40 | Departure days Thu | Cheapest price $30 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 04:20AM | Arrival Time 05:34AM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 04:40AM | Arrival Time 05:54AM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 05:00AM | Arrival Time 06:14AM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 05:20AM | Arrival Time 06:32AM | Duration 1h12 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 05:40AM | Arrival Time 06:52AM | Duration 1h12 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 06:00AM | Arrival Time 07:11AM | Duration 1h11 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 06:20AM | Arrival Time 07:34AM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Infobus | Departure Time 06:30AM | Arrival Time 08:20AM | Duration 1h50 | Departure days Thu | Cheapest price $30 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 06:40AM | Arrival Time 07:52AM | Duration 1h12 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 07:00AM | Arrival Time 08:14AM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 07:20AM | Arrival Time 08:34AM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Infobus | Departure Time 07:40AM | Arrival Time 09:35AM | Duration 1h55 | Departure days Thu | Cheapest price $30 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 07:40AM | Arrival Time 08:54AM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 08:00AM | Arrival Time 09:14AM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator BlaBlaCar | Departure Time 08:00AM | Arrival Time 08:30AM | Duration 0h30 | Departure days Fri, Sun | Cheapest price $5 |
Operator BlaBlaCar | Departure Time 08:20AM | Arrival Time 08:50AM | Duration 0h30 | Departure days Wed, Thu | Cheapest price $7 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 08:20AM | Arrival Time 09:34AM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator BlaBlaCar | Departure Time 08:30AM | Arrival Time 09:20AM | Duration 0h50 | Departure days Mon | Cheapest price $6 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 08:40AM | Arrival Time 09:51AM | Duration 1h11 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 09:00AM | Arrival Time 10:14AM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 09:20AM | Arrival Time 10:34AM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator BlaBlaCar | Departure Time 09:30AM | Arrival Time 09:40AM | Duration 0h10 | Departure days Thu | Cheapest price $3 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 09:40AM | Arrival Time 10:54AM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 10:00AM | Arrival Time 11:11AM | Duration 1h11 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 10:20AM | Arrival Time 11:34AM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator BlaBlaCar | Departure Time 10:20AM | Arrival Time 11:20AM | Duration 1h00 | Departure days Sat | Cheapest price $7 |
Operator BlaBlaCar | Departure Time 10:40AM | Arrival Time 11:30AM | Duration 0h50 | Departure days Sun | Cheapest price $7 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 10:40AM | Arrival Time 11:54AM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Infobus | Departure Time 10:50AM | Arrival Time 12:45PM | Duration 1h55 | Departure days Thu | Cheapest price $30 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 11:00AM | Arrival Time 12:14PM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 11:20AM | Arrival Time 12:34PM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator BlaBlaCar | Departure Time 11:40AM | Arrival Time 12:30PM | Duration 0h50 | Departure days Sat | Cheapest price $6 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 11:40AM | Arrival Time 12:51PM | Duration 1h11 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 12:00PM | Arrival Time 01:14PM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 12:20PM | Arrival Time 01:34PM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 12:40PM | Arrival Time 01:54PM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 01:00PM | Arrival Time 02:14PM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator BlaBlaCar | Departure Time 01:20PM | Arrival Time 02:10PM | Duration 0h50 | Departure days Thu, Sat | Cheapest price $4 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 01:20PM | Arrival Time 02:34PM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator BlaBlaCar | Departure Time 01:30PM | Arrival Time 02:00PM | Duration 0h30 | Departure days Fri | Cheapest price $4 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 01:40PM | Arrival Time 02:54PM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Infobus | Departure Time 02:00PM | Arrival Time 03:55PM | Duration 1h55 | Departure days Thu | Cheapest price $30 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 02:00PM | Arrival Time 03:14PM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator BlaBlaCar | Departure Time 02:10PM | Arrival Time 03:00PM | Duration 0h50 | Departure days Wed | Cheapest price $8 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 02:20PM | Arrival Time 03:31PM | Duration 1h11 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 02:40PM | Arrival Time 03:54PM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 03:00PM | Arrival Time 04:14PM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 03:20PM | Arrival Time 04:34PM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 03:40PM | Arrival Time 04:54PM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 04:00PM | Arrival Time 05:14PM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Infobus | Departure Time 04:00PM | Arrival Time 05:55PM | Duration 1h55 | Departure days Thu | Cheapest price $30 |
Operator BlaBlaCar | Departure Time 04:10PM | Arrival Time 04:50PM | Duration 0h40 | Departure days Mon | Cheapest price $6 |
Operator BlaBlaCar | Departure Time 04:20PM | Arrival Time 04:50PM | Duration 0h30 | Departure days Sat | Cheapest price $5 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 04:20PM | Arrival Time 05:34PM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator FlixBus | Departure Time 04:25PM | Arrival Time 06:40PM | Duration 2h15 | Departure days Tue, Wed, Thu, Fri, Sat, Sun | Cheapest price $9 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 04:40PM | Arrival Time 05:54PM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator BlaBlaCar | Departure Time 04:50PM | Arrival Time 05:30PM | Duration 0h40 | Departure days Mon, Thu, Fri | Cheapest price $5 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 05:00PM | Arrival Time 06:11PM | Duration 1h11 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator BlaBlaCar | Departure Time 05:20PM | Arrival Time 05:50PM | Duration 0h30 | Departure days Mon, Wed | Cheapest price $4 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 05:20PM | Arrival Time 06:34PM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 05:40PM | Arrival Time 06:54PM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator FlixBus | Departure Time 05:50PM | Arrival Time 06:40PM | Duration 0h50 | Departure days Thu | Cheapest price $9 |
Operator BlaBlaCar | Departure Time 05:50PM | Arrival Time 06:30PM | Duration 0h40 | Departure days Sat | Cheapest price $6 |
Operator BlaBlaCar | Departure Time 06:00PM | Arrival Time 06:40PM | Duration 0h40 | Departure days Mon, Wed, Thu, Fri | Cheapest price $5 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 06:00PM | Arrival Time 07:14PM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Infobus | Departure Time 06:15PM | Arrival Time 08:10PM | Duration 1h55 | Departure days Thu | Cheapest price $30 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 06:20PM | Arrival Time 07:34PM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator BlaBlaCar | Departure Time 06:30PM | Arrival Time 07:30PM | Duration 1h00 | Departure days Wed, Fri | Cheapest price $4 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 06:40PM | Arrival Time 07:54PM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator BlaBlaCar | Departure Time 07:00PM | Arrival Time 07:20PM | Duration 0h20 | Departure days Sun | Cheapest price $5 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 07:00PM | Arrival Time 08:14PM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Infobus | Departure Time 07:00PM | Arrival Time 08:50PM | Duration 1h50 | Departure days Thu | Cheapest price $30 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 07:20PM | Arrival Time 08:34PM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 07:40PM | Arrival Time 08:54PM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 08:00PM | Arrival Time 09:14PM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 08:20PM | Arrival Time 09:34PM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 08:40PM | Arrival Time 09:54PM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 09:00PM | Arrival Time 10:14PM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator BlaBlaCar | Departure Time 09:10PM | Arrival Time 09:50PM | Duration 0h40 | Departure days Sun | Cheapest price $4 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 09:20PM | Arrival Time 10:34PM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 09:40PM | Arrival Time 10:54PM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 10:00PM | Arrival Time 11:14PM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 10:20PM | Arrival Time 11:34PM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 10:40PM | Arrival Time 11:54PM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 11:00PM | Arrival Time 12:11AM | Duration 1h11 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator BlaBlaCar | Departure Time 11:10PM | Arrival Time 11:50PM | Duration 0h40 | Departure days Sun | Cheapest price $7 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 11:20PM | Arrival Time 12:34AM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
Operator Allocab | Departure Time 11:40PM | Arrival Time 12:54AM | Duration 1h14 | Departure days Mon, Thu | Cheapest price $230 |
The table below shows live departures for Paris to Beauvais buses for today, Friday, July 3. You can also manually refresh the results below to see updated bus journeys.
| Provider | Departs | Duration | Arrives | Transfers | Tickets |
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FlixBus | 4:25 PM Paris, Quai de Bercy (Bercy Seine) | 2h15 | 6:40 PM Beauvais, Rue Pierre et Marie Curie (Délie) | 0 transfersDirect | |
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Buses from Paris to Beauvais run on average 15 times per day, taking around 1h 27m. Cheap bus tickets for this journey start at $7 (€6) if you book in advance.
There are 15 buses per day. The earliest bus runs at 02:45, the last at 23:30. The fastest bus covers the 41 miles (67 km) distance in 50m.
Distance 41 miles (67 km) |
Average bus duration 1h 27m |
Cheapest ticket price $7 (€6) |
Buses per day 15 |
Direct buses 15 |
Fastest bus 50m |
First bus 2:45 AM |
Last bus 11:30 PM |
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Discover the best of Beauvais — top attractions, local food, transport tips, budget advice, and currency essentials. Plan your perfect Beauvais trip today.
The main art and history museum of Beauvais, housed in the former bishops' palace. Known for fine arts collections, regional heritage, and the historic setting itself.
A contemporary art venue beside the cathedral, notable for its modern architecture and rotating exhibitions. A strong pick for visitors interested in current visual culture.
Dedicated to the city’s celebrated tapestry tradition, this museum highlights Beauvais' importance in decorative arts and local manufacturing history.
The historic center is the best area for walking between the cathedral, squares, shops, and heritage streets. It is the city’s main base for sightseeing.
Beauvais’ principal square, known for its central location, historic setting, and lively atmosphere. A good starting point for exploring the old town.
A large public park popular for walks, ponds, and open green space. It is one of the best outdoor relaxation spots in Beauvais.
A classic dish from nearby Picardy: a thin crêpe filled with ham, mushrooms, and cream, then baked with cheese. It is one of the region’s best-known specialities.
Traditional Picard leek tart made with buttery pastry and a soft leek filling. It is a regional comfort food often eaten as a starter or light meal.
Rich brioche-like cake from Picardy, made with plenty of eggs and butter. Its tall shape and airy crumb make it a famous local sweet treat.
Established fine-dining restaurant in Beauvais known for refined French cuisine, elegant presentation, and a polished atmosphere suited to a special meal.
Well-known restaurant and delicatessen-style venue focused on French regional products, especially southwest specialties, in a warm traditional setting.
Popular established address in Beauvais for generous Italian dishes, pizzas, and a lively casual atmosphere close to the town center.
Generally moderate by French standards. Budget dining is manageable, while hotels and sit-down meals cost more in peak travel periods.
Service is usually included. Small rounding up or 5-10% for great restaurant service is appreciated, not required. Taxis are often rounded up; tips in cafes are optional.
Official public transport app
Beauvais, Rue Pierre et Marie Curie (Délie) -> Gare de Beauvais
The journey by bus from Paris to Beauvais is quick and efficient. Once out of Paris, buses get to Beauvais in under 2 hours, even with a connection. Passengers should be sure to check the bus schedules in advance as the times of departure, the number of buses, and the companies providing service change daily.
There are many companies providing service from Paris to Beauvais by bus. SNCF typically provides services on Tuesdays, Saturdays, and Mondays. BlaBlaBus on Wednesday through Friday and Sundays. SNCF always has 1 connection in Meru and offers fewer buses per day than its competitors. BlaBlaBus itineraries are direct and there are more departures per day from which to choose. The two companies never operate simultaneously within a day, though they may trade which days they operate.
The trip from Paris to Beauvais by bus is brief, even with a connection. With a stopover in Meru, the total travel time comes to 1 hour and 54 minutes. Direct trips take approximately an hour and a half depending upon rush hour traffic.
The number of buses from Paris to Beauvais varies greatly from day to day. Some days there are only 2 itineraries offered and other days there are as many as 6. The day of the week does not affect the number of buses departing. Some days, buses depart as early as 7:00 a.m. and other days there are no departures until 11:00 a.m. The routes are equally inconsistent for overnight departures.
Departure Bus Station: The departure station from Paris depends upon which bus company is running the service. BlaBlaBus does not have a designated station. Instead, it uses meet up points all over the city. These points are usually posted about a week before departure. SNCF buses depart from Paris Gare du Nord, the main rail and bus station. This station is centrally located and accessible by many methods of public transit.
Arrival Bus Station: The arrival station in Beauvais depends upon which bus company is in use that day. BlaBlaBus does not have a designated arrival station. Instead, it uses drop-off points all over the city. These points are usually listed approximately 7 days before arrival. SNCF buses arrive at Beauvais Gare SNCF, a station that is located within the city center and accessible by public transportation.
Find answers to the most common questions about traveling from Paris to Beauvais by bus. From journey times and ticket prices to direct connections, first and last departures, and even whether the route is scenic, our FAQs cover everything you need to plan your trip. Whether you’re looking for the fastest bus, the cheapest option, or tips for making the most of your visit at Beauvais, this guide helps you travel smarter and with confidence.

Most Paris to Beauvais buses use the Paris, Rue de Maubeuge (Parking) to Tillé, Aéroport Paris Beauvais (Parking P1) station pair. Use this guide to compare Paris and Beauvais bus stations on this route, check city-centre transport, alongside checking practicalities like bus station facilities and services.
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