- Must visit
Museo de la Evolución Humana
Major archaeology museum with finds from human evolution sites at Atapuerca. Modern displays make it one of Spain’s most important museums.
Cheapest price
$37
Average price
$56
Fastest journey
3 h 15 m
Average duration
4 h 27 m
Buses per day
45
Distance
220 km
The best way to find a cheap bus ticket from Bayonne to Burgos is to book your journey as far in advance as possible and to avoid traveling at rush hour.
The average ticket from Bayonne to Burgos will cost around $56 if you buy it on the day, but the cheapest tickets can be found for only $37.
Of the 45 buses that leave Bayonne for Burgos on Mon, Aug 03, 1 travel direct so it’s quite easy to avoid journeys where you’ll have to change along the way.
On Mon, Aug 03 the direct buses cover the 220 km distance in an average of 4 h 27 m but if you time it right, some buses will get you there in just 3 h 15 m .
On Mon, Aug 03 the slowest buses will take 5 h and usually involve a change or two along the way, but you might be able to save a few pennies if you’re on a budget.
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Normal| Operator | Departure Time | Arrival Time | Duration | Departure days | Cheapest price |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Operator BlaBlaCar Bus | Departure Time 12:05AM | Arrival Time 03:20AM | Duration 3h15 | Departure days Thu, Fri, Sat | Cheapest price $30 |
Operator FlixBus | Departure Time 12:25AM | Arrival Time 04:50AM | Duration 4h25 | Departure days Mon, Fri | Cheapest price $37 |
Operator Alsa | Departure Time 12:30AM | Arrival Time 10:00AM | Duration 9h30 | Departure days Tue, Wed | Cheapest price $44 |
Operator Internorte | Departure Time 12:30AM | Arrival Time 10:00AM | Duration 9h30 | Departure days Tue, Wed | Cheapest price $44 |
Operator BlaBlaCar | Departure Time 12:40AM | Arrival Time 03:50AM | Duration 3h10 | Departure days Tue | Cheapest price $30 |
Operator BlaBlaCar Bus | Departure Time 01:05AM | Arrival Time 04:20AM | Duration 3h15 | Departure days Thu, Fri, Sat | Cheapest price $18 |
Operator FlixBus | Departure Time 01:25AM | Arrival Time 05:55AM | Duration 4h30 | Departure days Tue, Wed, Sun | Cheapest price $43 |
Operator BlaBlaCar Bus | Departure Time 01:55AM | Arrival Time 11:30AM | Duration 9h35 | Departure days Mon, Tue | Cheapest price $64 |
Operator BlaBlaCar Bus | Departure Time 02:05AM | Arrival Time 05:20AM | Duration 3h15 | Departure days Mon, Tue, Wed, Sun | Cheapest price $135 |
Operator Internorte | Departure Time 03:20AM | Arrival Time 10:00AM | Duration 6h40 | Departure days Tue, Wed | Cheapest price $43 |
Operator Alsa | Departure Time 03:20AM | Arrival Time 10:00AM | Duration 6h40 | Departure days Tue, Wed | Cheapest price $43 |
Operator BlaBlaCar Bus | Departure Time 03:20AM | Arrival Time 12:00PM | Duration 8h40 | Departure days Mon, Wed, Sun | Cheapest price $47 |
Operator BlaBlaCar | Departure Time 04:20AM | Arrival Time 07:20AM | Duration 3h00 | Departure days Tue | Cheapest price $46 |
Operator Alsa | Departure Time 05:00AM | Arrival Time 10:00AM | Duration 5h00 | Departure days Mon, Tue, Wed | Cheapest price $44 |
Operator Internorte | Departure Time 05:00AM | Arrival Time 10:00AM | Duration 5h00 | Departure days Mon, Tue, Wed | Cheapest price $44 |
Operator Alsa | Departure Time 05:15AM | Arrival Time 12:00PM | Duration 6h45 | Departure days Mon, Tue, Wed, Sun | Cheapest price $44 |
Operator Internorte | Departure Time 05:15AM | Arrival Time 12:00PM | Duration 6h45 | Departure days Mon, Tue, Wed, Sun | Cheapest price $44 |
Operator BlaBlaCar | Departure Time 05:30AM | Arrival Time 08:30AM | Duration 3h00 | Departure days Sun | Cheapest price $27 |
Operator Alsa | Departure Time 05:45AM | Arrival Time 03:55PM | Duration 10h10 | Departure days Tue | Cheapest price $43 |
Operator Internorte | Departure Time 05:45AM | Arrival Time 12:00PM | Duration 6h15 | Departure days Tue | Cheapest price $43 |
Operator Internorte | Departure Time 06:00AM | Arrival Time 03:55PM | Duration 9h55 | Departure days Mon, Wed | Cheapest price $44 |
Operator BlaBlaCar Bus | Departure Time 06:00AM | Arrival Time 03:55PM | Duration 9h55 | Departure days Mon | Cheapest price $113 |
Operator Alsa | Departure Time 06:00AM | Arrival Time 02:45PM | Duration 8h45 | Departure days Mon, Wed | Cheapest price $44 |
Operator BlaBlaCar Bus | Departure Time 06:15AM | Arrival Time 12:00PM | Duration 5h45 | Departure days Sun | Cheapest price $113 |
Operator Internorte | Departure Time 06:15AM | Arrival Time 12:00PM | Duration 5h45 | Departure days Sun | Cheapest price $44 |
Operator BlaBlaCar | Departure Time 08:00AM | Arrival Time 10:40AM | Duration 2h40 | Departure days Tue, Sun | Cheapest price $25 |
Operator BlaBlaCar Bus | Departure Time 08:15AM | Arrival Time 07:30PM | Duration 11h15 | Departure days Mon, Tue, Wed | Cheapest price $39 |
Operator BlaBlaCar Bus | Departure Time 08:25AM | Arrival Time 03:55PM | Duration 7h30 | Departure days Mon, Tue, Wed | Cheapest price $44 |
Operator Internorte | Departure Time 08:30AM | Arrival Time 01:00PM | Duration 4h30 | Departure days Sat | Cheapest price $41 |
Operator BlaBlaCar | Departure Time 08:30AM | Arrival Time 11:30AM | Duration 3h00 | Departure days Wed | Cheapest price $27 |
Operator BlaBlaCar | Departure Time 08:40AM | Arrival Time 12:10PM | Duration 3h30 | Departure days Sun | Cheapest price $29 |
Operator BlaBlaCar | Departure Time 09:00AM | Arrival Time 12:00PM | Duration 3h00 | Departure days Sun | Cheapest price $27 |
Operator BlaBlaCar | Departure Time 09:10AM | Arrival Time 12:00PM | Duration 2h50 | Departure days Sun | Cheapest price $27 |
Operator BlaBlaCar | Departure Time 09:20AM | Arrival Time 12:50PM | Duration 3h30 | Departure days Mon | Cheapest price $29 |
Operator BlaBlaCar | Departure Time 09:50AM | Arrival Time 12:50PM | Duration 3h00 | Departure days Mon | Cheapest price $27 |
Operator BlaBlaCar | Departure Time 10:00AM | Arrival Time 12:50PM | Duration 2h50 | Departure days Mon | Cheapest price $26 |
Operator BlaBlaCar Bus | Departure Time 10:05AM | Arrival Time 03:55PM | Duration 5h50 | Departure days Mon, Tue, Wed | Cheapest price $42 |
Operator BlaBlaCar | Departure Time 10:40AM | Arrival Time 01:50PM | Duration 3h10 | Departure days Sun | Cheapest price $34 |
Operator BlaBlaCar | Departure Time 11:10AM | Arrival Time 02:00PM | Duration 2h50 | Departure days Mon | Cheapest price $29 |
Operator BlaBlaCar Bus | Departure Time 11:20AM | Arrival Time 12:00AM | Duration 12h40 | Departure days Mon, Tue, Wed | Cheapest price $42 |
Operator Conda | Departure Time 11:30AM | Arrival Time 08:45PM | Duration 9h15 | Departure days Mon, Tue, Wed | Cheapest price $42 |
Operator BlaBlaCar | Departure Time 11:40AM | Arrival Time 02:40PM | Duration 3h00 | Departure days Wed | Cheapest price $27 |
Operator BlaBlaCar Bus | Departure Time 11:45AM | Arrival Time 08:45PM | Duration 9h00 | Departure days Mon, Tue, Wed | Cheapest price $44 |
Operator BlaBlaCar | Departure Time 12:00PM | Arrival Time 03:00PM | Duration 3h00 | Departure days Tue | Cheapest price $32 |
Operator Conda | Departure Time 12:15PM | Arrival Time 05:30PM | Duration 5h15 | Departure days Fri, Sat | Cheapest price $44 |
Operator Conda | Departure Time 01:15PM | Arrival Time 06:30PM | Duration 5h15 | Departure days Thu | Cheapest price $43 |
Operator BlaBlaCar | Departure Time 01:50PM | Arrival Time 04:40PM | Duration 2h50 | Departure days Wed | Cheapest price $21 |
Operator Conda | Departure Time 02:15PM | Arrival Time 07:30PM | Duration 5h15 | Departure days Mon, Tue, Wed, Sun | Cheapest price $42 |
Operator BlaBlaCar | Departure Time 02:15PM | Arrival Time 06:15PM | Duration 4h00 | Departure days Wed | Cheapest price $18 |
Operator BlaBlaCar | Departure Time 03:30PM | Arrival Time 06:40PM | Duration 3h10 | Departure days Sun | Cheapest price $27 |
Operator Conda | Departure Time 04:15PM | Arrival Time 12:00AM | Duration 7h45 | Departure days Mon, Tue, Wed, Sun | Cheapest price $42 |
Operator BlaBlaCar | Departure Time 04:30PM | Arrival Time 07:30PM | Duration 3h00 | Departure days Mon | Cheapest price $26 |
Operator BlaBlaCar | Departure Time 04:40PM | Arrival Time 07:30PM | Duration 2h50 | Departure days Tue | Cheapest price $24 |
Operator BlaBlaCar Bus | Departure Time 05:50PM | Arrival Time 12:00AM | Duration 6h10 | Departure days Mon, Tue, Wed | Cheapest price $44 |
Operator BlaBlaCar Bus | Departure Time 06:00PM | Arrival Time 12:00AM | Duration 6h00 | Departure days Mon, Tue, Wed | Cheapest price $37 |
Operator FlixBus | Departure Time 07:30PM | Arrival Time 09:15AM | Duration 13h45 | Departure days Thu | Cheapest price $43 |
Operator Alsa | Departure Time 08:00PM | Arrival Time 12:29AM | Duration 4h29 | Departure days Fri | Cheapest price $57 |
Operator FlixBus | Departure Time 08:30PM | Arrival Time 10:15AM | Duration 13h45 | Departure days Mon | Cheapest price $142 |
Operator BlaBlaCar | Departure Time 08:30PM | Arrival Time 11:30PM | Duration 3h00 | Departure days Wed | Cheapest price $22 |
Operator BlaBlaCar | Departure Time 08:40PM | Arrival Time 11:40PM | Duration 3h00 | Departure days Sun | Cheapest price $36 |
Operator FlixBus | Departure Time 09:45PM | Arrival Time 02:55AM | Duration 5h10 | Departure days Thu | Cheapest price $39 |
Operator FlixBus | Departure Time 10:45PM | Arrival Time 03:55AM | Duration 5h10 | Departure days Thu, Sat | Cheapest price $34 |
Operator FlixBus | Departure Time 11:25PM | Arrival Time 03:55AM | Duration 4h30 | Departure days Thu | Cheapest price $26 |
Operator BlaBlaCar Bus | Departure Time 11:45PM | Arrival Time 04:30AM | Duration 4h45 | Departure days Wed, Fri | Cheapest price $19 |
Operator BlaBlaCar Bus | Departure Time 11:59PM | Arrival Time 03:29AM | Duration 3h30 | Departure days Tue | Cheapest price $31 |
Operator Internorte | Departure Time 11:59PM | Arrival Time 03:30AM | Duration 3h31 | Departure days Tue | Cheapest price $74 |
The table below shows live departures for Bayonne to Burgos buses for tomorrow, Monday, August 3. You can also manually refresh the results below to see updated bus journeys.
| Provider | Departs | Duration | Arrives | Transfers | Tickets |
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FlixBus · FlixBus | 12:25 AM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 9h50 | 10:15 AM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 1 transfer | |
3169+ Normal · Normal | 1:55 AM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 9h35 | 11:30 AM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 2 transfers | |
3169+ Normal | 1:55 AM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 8h05 | 10:00 AM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 1 transfer | |
3169+ Normal · Normal | 1:55 AM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 14h50 | 4:45 PM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 2 transfers | |
3173 | 2:05 AM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 3h15 | 5:20 AM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 0 transfersDirect | |
3161+ Normal | 3:20 AM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 6h40 | 10:00 AM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 1 transfer | |
3161+ Normal · Normal | 3:20 AM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 8h10 | 11:30 AM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 2 transfers | |
3161+ Normal · Normal | 3:20 AM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 13h25 | 4:45 PM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 2 transfers | |
Normal · Normal | 5:00 AM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 7h00 | 12:00 PM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 1 transfer | |
Normal · Normal | 5:00 AM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 5h00 | 10:00 AM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 1 transfer | |
Normal+ Normal | 5:00 AM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 5h00 | 10:00 AM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 1 transfer | |
Normal+ Normal | 5:00 AM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 10h55 | 3:55 PM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 1 transfer | |
Normal · Normal | 5:15 AM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 10h40 | 3:55 PM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 1 transfer | |
Normal+ Normal | 5:15 AM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 10h40 | 3:55 PM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 1 transfer | |
Normal+ Normal · Normal | 5:15 AM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 6h15 | 11:30 AM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 2 transfers | |
Normal · Normal | 6:00 AM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 6h00 | 12:00 PM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 1 transfer | |
Normal+ Normal | 6:00 AM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 9h55 | 3:55 PM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 1 transfer | |
Normal · Normal | 6:00 AM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 8h45 | 2:45 PM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 1 transfer | |
Normal · Normal | 6:00 AM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 9h55 | 3:55 PM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 1 transfer | |
4605+ Normal | 6:00 AM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 9h55 | 3:55 PM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 1 transfer | |
95927+ Normal | 8:15 AM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 7h40 | 3:55 PM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 1 transfer | |
3163+ Normal | 8:25 AM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 7h30 | 3:55 PM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 1 transfer | |
3163+ Normal | 8:25 AM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 11h05 | 7:30 PM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 1 transfer | |
95929+ Normal | 10:05 AM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 9h25 | 7:30 PM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 1 transfer | |
95929+ Normal | 10:05 AM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 5h50 | 3:55 PM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 1 transfer | |
95929+ Normal · Normal | 10:05 AM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 12h10 | 10:15 PM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 2 transfers | |
8717+ Normal | 11:20 AM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 12h40 | 12:00 AM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 1 transfer | |
8717+ Normal | 11:20 AM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 8h10 | 7:30 PM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 1 transfer | |
8717+ Normal | 11:20 AM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 4h35 | 3:55 PM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 1 transfer | |
Normal+ Normal | 11:30 AM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 12h30 | 12:00 AM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 1 transfer | |
Normal · Normal | 11:30 AM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 4h25 | 3:55 PM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 1 transfer | |
Normal+ Normal | 11:30 AM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 8h00 | 7:30 PM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 1 transfer | |
Normal+ Normal · Normal | 11:30 AM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 10h45 | 10:15 PM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 2 transfers | |
7464+ Normal | 11:45 AM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 12h15 | 12:00 AM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 1 transfer | |
7464+ Normal | 11:45 AM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 7h45 | 7:30 PM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 1 transfer | |
7464+ Normal · Normal | 11:45 AM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 10h30 | 10:15 PM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 2 transfers | |
Normal+ Normal | 2:15 PM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 9h45 | 12:00 AM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 1 transfer | |
Normal+ Normal · Normal | 2:15 PM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 8h00 | 10:15 PM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 2 transfers | |
Normal+ Normal | 2:15 PM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 5h15 | 7:30 PM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 1 transfer | |
Normal · Normal | 2:15 PM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 5h15 | 7:30 PM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 1 transfer | |
Normal+ Normal | 4:15 PM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 7h45 | 12:00 AM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 1 transfer | |
Normal · Normal | 4:15 PM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 7h45 | 12:00 AM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 1 transfer | |
95919+ Normal | 5:50 PM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 6h10 | 12:00 AM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 1 transfer | |
8615+ Normal | 6:00 PM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 6h00 | 12:00 AM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 1 transfer | |
FlixBus · FlixBus | 8:30 PM Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard | 13h45 | 10:15 AM Burgos, Estación de Autobuses | 1 transfer | |
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Buses from Bayonne to Burgos run on average 8 times per day, taking around 4h 9m. Cheap bus tickets for this journey start at $18 (€15) if you book in advance.
There are 5 buses per day. The earliest bus runs at 00:15, the last at 23:55. The fastest bus covers the 136 miles (220 km) distance in 3h 15m.
Distance 136 miles (220 km) |
Average bus duration 4h 9m |
Cheapest ticket price $18 (€15) |
Buses per day 8 |
Direct buses 5 |
Fastest bus 3h 15m |
First bus 12:15 AM |
Last bus 11:55 PM |
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Discover the best of Burgos — top attractions, local food, transport tips, budget advice, and currency essentials. Plan your perfect Burgos trip today.
Major archaeology museum with finds from human evolution sites at Atapuerca. Modern displays make it one of Spain’s most important museums.
Museum in the cathedral complex displaying liturgical art, sculpture, and treasures that deepen a visit to Burgos’s most famous monument.
Monastic museum with sacred art, manuscripts, and historic spaces that reveal the life and influence of Las Huelgas through the centuries.
Tree-lined riverside walk through parks and historic bridges. It is one of the best areas for a relaxed stroll with classic city views.
Historic quarter around the cathedral with medieval lanes, churches, and old houses. It rewards slow walking and discovery beyond main monuments.
Grand central square lined with arcades, cafés, and elegant buildings. It is the city’s main meeting place and a practical base for sightseeing.
Roast suckling lamb from Castilla y León, wood-fired until tender with crisp skin. A celebratory regional classic often found in traditional asadores.
Burgos black pudding made with rice, onion, pork fat and blood. It is the city's signature tapa and appears grilled, fried or in stews.
Fresh white cheese from Burgos, mild and creamy, traditionally made from sheep's milk. Eaten as a dessert or with honey, quince or salads.
Michelin-starred dining by Miguel Cobo, blending Castilian products with refined technique in an elegant contemporary setting.
Historic asador known for roast lamb, suckling pig and classic Castilian dishes in a traditional wood-accented dining room.
Traditional restaurant near the cathedral, appreciated for Burgos classics such as morcilla, roast meats and hearty regional cooking.
Moderate for Spain: lodging is often cheaper than Madrid or Barcelona, while meals and local buses stay reasonably priced for visitors.
Tipping is modest. Round up or leave 5-10% in restaurants for good service; taxis are usually rounded up, and small change is fine in cafes.
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Estación de Autobuses -> Plaza Mayor, Burgos
Find answers to the most common questions about traveling from Bayonne to Burgos by bus. From journey times and ticket prices to direct connections, first and last departures, and even whether the route is scenic, our FAQs cover everything you need to plan your trip. Whether you’re looking for the fastest bus, the cheapest option, or tips for making the most of your visit at Burgos, this guide helps you travel smarter and with confidence.

Most Bayonne to Burgos buses use the Bayonne, Quai de Lesseps / Chem. de Saint-Bernard to Burgos, Estación de Autobuses station pair. Use this guide to compare Bayonne and Burgos bus stations on this route, check city-centre transport, alongside checking practicalities like bus station facilities and services.
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